7 days to screw over marco imo

Giving a mediocre player protection from regs allowing him to play profitably on a level that he doesnt beat is ridiculous. If he wants to bumhunt he can sit second. If not, move down to where he can beat the games

wow does op hold that big of an edge over g1shot for this thread to exist

I have no problem with the bumhunting, my issue is with the extortion angle of "offering a deal". Thats beyond the pale imho.

I am also willing to bet that the OP is leaving out all the verbal abuse someone of his maturity level likely heaped upon the other player, which is also intolerable and needs to be stopped.

Unfair ruling by ftp imo,but they should've stepped in when you were asking for money tbh. No offence but really it's really douchy. They should have some ruling against it because this can lead to a lot of stuff. Like sitting regs and timing down to hurt their hourly so you can demand a fee not to sit them,or slowing down 6max games when there is a big fish so people will give you some $ to stop doing that because most likely the fish will leave etc.

Sorry, but I am with FTP on this one. Once you tried to force him to pay you, you stepped over the line. It's unethical, it's bad for the poker economy, it's bad for the image of the poker community, and I think one could also argue this would be illegal in many countries. If FTP let this one slide they wouldn't only be doing a disservice to the poker community, they would also be opening themselves to a potential lawsuit.

If something like this happened in real life, you'd get a restraining order put on yourself, and this is exactly what FTP did. Now, it sucks that you can't play him like you would play any other guy at your stakes, but a restraining order isn't supposed to restore a status quo. It's a penalty, which I think you deserved in this case.

if op wasn't known here everyone would be hating on him and not saying ftp messed up. you really asked someone to pay you to not play them? lols.

edit. 7 days isn't even long it would take longer than that to get a reply from them

lol@joining him at 45 mans too

Extortion=Bad for poker.

FTP should of considered a perminent ban.

I doubt this is the first time a similar arragment has been made/proposed.

IMO that's a fair deal, the main reason FTP didn't want it to happen was coz they don't get a cut from it (unlike from HUSNG action). If g1shot continued to sit first Nemo would have sat him and earned some $EV, so he offered g1shot a way to pay that $EV off w/o hurting g1shot's action.

g1shot is a HU reg, his aim is to take money from tilting hotheaded players who can't watch their mouth

yea, obviously this is a bit absurd, FTP should have 7 day banned you for the extortion thing, but now its absolutely ridiculous for them to not allow you to sit him... like straight ridiculous

I don't think it's ridiculous or surprising...

Lol, i was about to offer the same thing to one big mouth reg, who couldn't stand by his words. Haha, glad that this came up, so i know i have to pay cut to FTP first, lmao.

Why does freedom of association only go one way? If I don't want to sit and play with a certain player, especially heads up I should not be forced to.

Can I send FTP a list too stating which players I want them to prevent sitting me?

If you sit first, you accept that EVERYONE has the right to play you. Don't like it? Don't sit first!!!

siding with FTP here

haha this is awesome. i applaud ur diligence and perseverence nemo!

best of luck in getting unbanned, seems incredibly unlikely tho and they did in fact give you a warning, so meh. still keep on keepin on brother

This is obv. not like what the mafia does because if you don't pay the mafia their fee they are going to do something which they have no right to do.
If you don't pay Nemo his fee he's going to do something he has every right to do.

That said, it's still scummy, but it's nothing like what the mafia does.

EDIT: Also just tell FTP you're moving to Stars if they don't allow you to sit this player.

You're not forced to play them.
If you don't want to play anybody, don't sit first.

Thread winner.

I'm here to play games. If someone is sitting first I should be able to sit him at any time if no one fills the game beforehand, no matter who am I and who is villain. If villain doesn't like it he can always sit second, nothing but his ego stops him from doing so. Otherwise we can get a situation like in HU cash where you can not only spend ages waiting for someone to sit you but also get bad vibe coz of sitting other players

Very weird situation.

I think context may be important here.

If you're sitting a player you have an edge on over and over and the player asks "what can I do to get you to stop sitting me?" it's totally unacceptable to say "well, I make about $4 a game on you, maybe play you 30 games a month... send me $360 and I'll never sit you again, that's 3 months of playing you?"

If the policy is crystal clear, ok, but otherwise I'm not so sure I'm ok with that.

This situation I'm not sure on.

I find it kind of weird that you regret making him the offer. I think sitting his 45 mans is a lot worse than the offer. The offer can make sense in some context, sitting his 45 mans just sounds like you're daring FTP to make some kind of ruling against you.

I think the major thing to worry about with all of this is husng players having the same protection that disallows a player from sitting them a lot. Now, it looks like in their email that they said anybody can sit anybody, that this is an exception due to the extreme nature of the situation. But I don't really ever trust FTP support with the way things such as Sharkscoping and 4 man hu teams have been handled over the year (one week it's banned, another week it's ok, another week there's conflicting replies from support on the same day).

So basically, I really really hope they just thought that Nemo went over a line, that the act of sitting another husng player is absolutely allowed at any time, just stalking him into 45 man tables, harassing him in chat and asking him for a buyout is not.

I still think a buyout is absolutely fair. I know regs that have given money to better players for this exact reason. It's a great solution in some cases.

When a reg asks to chop and I ask them to pay my rake, is that going to be bannable too? I'm requiring something to change my normal routine due to monetary loss. It's not a major loss if this isn't allowed, but I think we need some clarification from FTP (perhaps FTP Doug).

I don't find the decision by FTP surprising but I don't think you did anything wrong. I find the whole thing hillarious. Lobby wars between regs happen at high SNG levels, you just went a step further and offered a solution that would benefit both of you. I don't think it can be called an extortion because it's not like if he doesn't pay you you will do sth illegal.

IMO. Sitting his 45mans is the only part where I think Nemo crossed the line (and it was prob -EV for him as well)

You're right of course. I missed the heads up and sitting first aspect. I am still suspicious that there is more to the story that the OP is not sharing with us. But yes, if the hero (imho) is sitting first then he doesn't get to choose who sits down with him.

But I feel the 7 day ban was warranted, if not a bit too light.