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04-11-2013 , 12:33 AM
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Hey guys. Im trying to find some leaks in my play but i dont know if im using PT4 right.
Im playing 15s now, small sample (2500ish).
Im using quick filter in the graphs section and using the following filter:

"(Effective Stack Size Big Blinds Between xx and yy)"

Here are the results so far

0-10 BBs


10-15 BBs


15-20 BBs


20-25 BBs


Is this right? I mean, at 0-10 BBs effective stack im just winning a lot. Doesnt seen to be right, but idk what im doing wrong. In the other hand, at 15-20 and 10-15 BBs Im giving away a lot of chips.

I just need to know if this is right. If so, i think im being to nit between 10 and 20 BBs effective.

Thanks a lot.
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04-11-2013 , 12:41 AM
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it is difficult to say what you are doing wrong just looking at your graph but IMO, 13 to 18 BB deep is the most difficult part of the tourney so It would make sense.
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04-11-2013 , 05:53 AM
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Unfortunately PT4 has a really stupid "feature" where when villain open folds the hand gets marked as having 0bb effective stacks. This obviously will be skewing all of the graphs you presented and explains the straight line at 0-10bb.
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04-11-2013 , 08:19 AM
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lol srsly? dafuq is the point of that?
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04-11-2013 , 08:31 AM
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Thanks Guys. That explains a lot of things.
I guess i suck at 13 to 18 BB deep as genher said. I will try to get some stats on PT4 to see if im folding to much pré, or beeing fit or fold OTF.

coffeeyay, thats a really stupid "feature" =/.

What i notice about my play, is that between 20-25 BBs im making more creative plays, barreling and stuff. But below 20BBs its really difficult. My range tight up a lot.
I guess thats the reason for my ugly red line below 20BBs.

Thanks again.
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10-19-2013 , 10:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeeyay
Unfortunately PT4 has a really stupid "feature" where when villain open folds the hand gets marked as having 0bb effective stacks. This obviously will be skewing all of the graphs you presented and explains the straight line at 0-10bb.
I guess this "feature" doesn´t affect to coffe Hud stats. How did you solve it?

I would like to have graphs and reports filtered by stack size but I don´t know how to do it.

I will apreciate any help
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10-19-2013 , 11:57 AM
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I can see that you are using this database field "tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_st ack" to create your statistcs, I´ve used it to create my own report Stat but is still counting the folded hands as Effective Stack 0

This is my Stat:
Spoiler:

Stat Name:
Effective Stack Size

Value Expresion:
val_p_effective_stack_size

Format Type:
if(this = 1, format('Stack less than 8 big blinds'),
if(this = 2, format('8 bbs < Stack <= 12 bbs'),
if(this = 3, format('12 bbs < Stack <= 18 bbs'),
if(this = 4, format('20 bbs < Stack <= 25 bbs'),
if(this = 5, format('40 bbs < Stack <= 50 bbs'),
if(this = 6, format('60 bbs < Stack <= 100 bbs'),
if(this = 7, format('100 bbs < Stack <= 150 bbs'),
if(this = 8, format('150 bbs < Stack <= 250 bbs'),
format('stack >= 250')))))))))

Sumary Type:
format('{1} Stack Size(s)', this)


And this is "val_p_effective_stack_size" column:
Spoiler:

if[ tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_sta ck / tourney_blinds.amt_bb < 8, 1, if[ tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_sta ck / tourney_blinds.amt_bb < 12, 2, if[ tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_sta ck / tourney_blinds.amt_bb < 18, 3, if[ tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_sta ck / tourney_blinds.amt_bb < 26, 4, if[ tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_sta ck / tourney_blinds.amt_bb < 50, 5, if[ tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_sta ck / tourney_blinds.amt_bb < 100, 6, if[ tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_sta ck / tourney_blinds.amt_bb < 150, 7, if[ tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_effective_sta ck / tourney_blinds.amt_bb < 250, 8, 9]]]]]]]]


And this is the report result:
Spoiler:


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10-19-2013 , 12:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidel
I guess this "feature" doesn´t affect to coffe Hud stats. How did you solve it?

I would like to have graphs and reports filtered by stack size but I don´t know how to do it.

I will apreciate any help
It doesn't change any frequencies as we don't have an open fold statistic (all other frequencies are based on villain not open folding anyways). So there is nothing to solve thankfully
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10-19-2013 , 01:41 PM
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Coffeeyay - so that means that PT4 doesn't show proper EV at all? Weird thing... When villain and hero open fold the same amount of time is it correct?
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10-19-2013 , 03:31 PM
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if you filter by eff stack sizes than yeah ev will be screwed
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10-20-2013 , 03:04 AM
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please post complaints in this thread: https://www.pokertracker.com/forums/...43589&start=40

Enough and they might consider doing something. Right now the opinion of PokerTracker is:
Quote:
We also agreed that this really only affects heads up players
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10-20-2013 , 03:08 AM
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For now, to manually fix it run this SQL on your database in PGAdmin (it's from the above linked thread, credit to BillGatesIII)

***dangerous procedure, no guarantees, make a backup first!

Code:
update public.tourney_hand_player_statistics as player
set amt_p_effective_stack =
  (select min(villains.amt_p_effective_stack)
   from public.tourney_hand_player_statistics as villains
   where player.id_hand = villains.id_hand
   and player.id_player <> villains.id_player)
where player.amt_p_effective_stack = 0
not a permanent fix, will need to be run after any imports to fix new hands.
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10-20-2013 , 06:48 AM
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What _dave_ has posted needs to be run every time you want to make a report since it only covers the hands which are already in the database.
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When villain and hero open fold the same amount of time is it correct?
When Hero openfolds the effective stack is correctly counted.
That's because the definition of effective stack from PT4 is "The largest amount of your stack you can risk when it's your turn to choose an action".
Since when opponent openfolds, you cannot risk anything effective stack is 0.
But when you openfold, you can actually risk the minimum stack at the table, meaning that effective stack is correctly counted for those hands.
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10-20-2013 , 07:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _dave_
please post complaints in this thread: https://www.pokertracker.com/forums/...43589&start=40

Enough and they might consider doing something. Right now the opinion of PokerTracker is:
My complain was submitted, Thank you for the script

@Coffe: Makes sense, TY
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10-20-2013 , 12:23 PM
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this looks like mark's graph. Exploiting dem people at 0-10bbs, gj mark.
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10-23-2013 , 04:57 PM
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problem is its only 2500 hands you can just be running bad check back on it after like 100 k hands and see what your results are.
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