Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up

08-31-2019 , 07:27 AM
Hi guys,

Would appreciate some advice regarding a couple of heads up sit and go's I played today.

Played two people for the first time, both regs in that lobby, won both games. In the rematch they both just became hyper aggressive, opening every button to 3x and c-betting 100%. They folded to a few 3-bets, but occasionally they would call and blast me off the flop. I'm not sure if they saw something in my strategy which made them think that the high variance approach would work, but if they did they seem to have been right.

OOP they would not call any of my opens and would either 3-bet to about 4/5x or fold. I would call their 3-bets with premium hands but would just miss and end up getting blown off my hand.

Any bets they made were huge and in all honesty I became fairly flustered and did not know how to readjust from a theoretical point of view, apart from trying to 3-bet a value range pre-flop. I would have check raised a value range on the flop or called down but I could not make any value hands.

Any help appreciated!
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
08-31-2019 , 01:34 PM
This is my default strategy until opponent adjusts to exploit it.

The best adjustment is a wide 3bet range. We usually have like J6o. Become a calling station if you flop top pair or better. We don't have the flush.
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
09-08-2019 , 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by riskoriented
This is my default strategy until opponent adjusts to exploit it.

The best adjustment is a wide 3bet range. We usually have like J6o. Become a calling station if you flop top pair or better. We don't have the flush.
Are you saying that you start opening 3x and c-bet 100% of flops until your opponent start adjusting??
I think that it not the epitomy of a good default strategy tbh.
Opening 3x in a heads up hyper sit'n'go is an extreme deviation for me and I would do it only if I had exact reads on my opponent!
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
09-15-2019 , 07:16 AM
Is hyperturbo the format? I assume it is.

It's pretty much impossible to be winner playing with 3x raises etc.

But then at the same time it's a coinflip. Hard to beat those guys, if rake is high. Hard to say if that's totally true since variance is huge. Anyone have take what ROI can be done against these opponents.

Last edited by PassiveIsBetter; 09-15-2019 at 07:25 AM.
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
09-15-2019 , 09:04 AM
possible roi probably quite large, theres a reason you aren't supposed to 3x every button
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
09-15-2019 , 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by valuecutting
possible roi probably quite large, theres a reason you aren't supposed to 3x every button
Is it? It's like you are 10-15bb deep and your opponent goes all in every hand. When you go all in it's pretty much 55/45 or max 60/40.

Math question. It's of course -EV to go all in every hand there, but how much? like 2-3%? Thus rake kills.
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
09-15-2019 , 01:38 PM
you realize 60/40 is 20% roi before rake, right?
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
09-15-2019 , 02:06 PM
I'm not sure this is the definition of high variance.

Wider ranges and aggression that makes you feel uncomfortable, perhaps, but not necessarily higher variance by any means.
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
09-15-2019 , 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by valuecutting
you realize 60/40 is 20% roi before rake, right?
You need to fold some to get finally that 60/40.
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote
09-17-2019 , 06:37 AM
There is no "high variance opponent" in heads-up or spin&go. Since the only possible outcomes of a winner-takes-all sit&go are "win" or "lose", the standard deviation of any sample of games is strictly determined by your edge.

For instance, if you can win 54% of your HUSNG, the variance will always be lower than if you win 53%. If you win 46%, the variance will also be lower than if you win 47%.

On a sidenote, that effect is almost negligeable and it is most practical to assume we win 50% of HUSNGs in regards to variance. The standard deviation at 50% is 0.5 buyins but you'll need to win 60% to make it 0.49 buyins!

That being said, it is perfectly possible to build ranges that beat a "push any2 12BB" strategy by a margin bigger than rake, which I think is what the OP is actaully asking about. You'll definitely achieve it just by playing Nash push/fold ranges
Adjusting against high variance opponents heads up Quote

      
m