raise flop, call or reshove?

i think you played it good, u have plenty of outs and a lot of FE 3betting jam in that flop

Can't have that much FE vs a pot-sized cbet.

^ no but you don't need much neither. Not many other ways to play this hand post anyways.

I agree with GII flop.

Anyone considering folding pre? 94s a pretty marginal defend right?

You guys really shove this? To me it seams were behind, or its break even. I don't see the point in flipping though. Also we need to take into consideration our opponent skills. Because shoving here if it's extremely marginal, we're saying that's its the most EV playing for the entire game basically.

Never played hyper but if you don't flat pre, you can 3bet.

Not sure about doing it readless, vs a frequent opener maybe but it still might be too weak, plus if we 3bet we have to 3bet over 50% which is easy to adjust to.

Who says just because we 3bet this type of hand pre mean we have to open our 3betting to 50%? sure we get these type of hands quite frequently, it doesn't mean we 3bet bluff at every opportunity.

It's a decent 3betting bluff spot pre and I especially like it readless as if we assume our opponent is opening >65%(or even less it is still profitable?) he isn't calling too wide as he doesn't really know anything about our 3bet tendencies.

^ true that :P

Although is't it better to be consistent with our ranges? Is it ok to 3bet 94s once, then get it next hand and fold facing a MR?

Like I mentioned in the previous post. We don't need to do it at every opportunity

3bet pre is to balance 3betting range. You throw is some of your bottom hands along with what you normally 3bet.

@cardsharkboss But I would call rather than fold if you're not 3betting.

I just flat here. Board is hitting your flatting range a lot, and V won't barrel many turns.

Readless 3b nai is better, but flat is better than folding.

As played given the pot sized bet we have barely any fold equity, I definitely prefer flatting. Vs a 1/2 pot bet jamming is a decent option, though overall on this flop it's hard to get villain to bet/fold too much stuff--still we have pretty ridiculous equity when called so it should be fine. But the PSB cbet range is significantly stronger, especially on a texture like this, so given the sizing tell we should definitely flat.

Also:

No!

3B pre is because it's the most profitable option. 3betting "just to balance" will never be a good reason. You can think about 3 betting a balanced range because you don't know how your opponent will react or you know he will react well and read an unbalanced range and exploit it, but even then every hand in your range should have at least as much equity 3betting as every other option. The idea of balance comes up because if your opponent is reacting well vs you then if you only 3b TT+ he will fold a lot, making 3 betting 94s very profitable--but it's still because of profit that you 3b! Balance is never an end in itself, it is the means towards an end (and that end is profit).

All that being said, in this situation all we care about is exploiting our opponent. We do that by understanding population tendencies, and those point towards 3Betting NAI being a very profitable decision because of multi-street fold equity.

If we don't 3bet in a ''balanced'' way and 3betting pre 94s is +EV because it exploit our opponent, then isn't a fair assumption to say that ATC would achieve the same result? Therefore shouldn't we be 3betting nearly 100% of our range? If not, then we are 3betting pre because it's +EV and balance our range, no?

Maybe i miss understood your reply, but i didn't mentioned 3betting being +EV because in this case i thought 3betting 94s had the same EV as calling, therefore our 3bet is for ballance. Is calling and 3bet same in EV here?

Some hands have better ev flatting compared to 3betting- but yes it's very likely "fine" to 3bet atc.

no, because even the biggest fish would adjust to that. the effectiveness of exploitation comes from our opponents not noticing that they are being exploited.

balancing against an unknown does not make sense either, because playing a mixed strategy means sacrificing EV for optimal play. in most cases we don't want to do that against someone who cbets pot.

like coffeeyay explained, the expectation of 3betting is higher than the expectation of calling (and obv also of folding). i guess he made that statement based on analysis of his database.