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T: TPGK in ugly spot in 3b pot. T: TPGK in ugly spot in 3b pot.

12-01-2011 , 11:01 AM
Only 19 hands into the match, so no real reads. Villains seems tightish.

Is Villain ever shoving here with worse?

    Poker Stars, $6.71 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11196622

    Hero (SB): 1,435 (47.8 bb)
    BB: 1,565 (52.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
    Hero raises to 75, BB raises to 210, Hero calls 135

    Flop: (420) A 9 K (2 players)
    BB bets 210, Hero calls 210

    Turn: (840) J (2 players)
    BB bets 1,145 and is all-in, Hero ???
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    12-01-2011 , 04:32 PM
    shove pre.
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    12-01-2011 , 04:51 PM
    cawl

    ohly i know u just post about easy decisions... but calling is easy to

    now see, this is trolling
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    12-01-2011 , 05:40 PM
    His line doesnt make much sense, i call here.

    But your life would have been easier if you just shoved this pre.
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    12-01-2011 , 05:51 PM
    nah, his line makes sence

    he can def have KJ, K9, AK/QT (less times), he could have 3bet worse Ax like A8 and just be vbetting, could be doing this with combos, or spazzing in this high card board with lower cards because he thinks he can rep teh high cards

    but considering pot odds, and that even vs KJ we have 12 outs(3xQ, 3xA, 3x9, 4xT) makes this an very easy call
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    12-01-2011 , 05:59 PM
    I agree with preflop shove.

    As played I find a crying call.

    But isn't there merit in raising flop???
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    12-01-2011 , 06:07 PM
    only if ur cutting onions

    and no, call flop ainec, what card are u afraid on turn ? most are good turns, keep his bluff range in
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    12-01-2011 , 11:16 PM
    Shove pre. Call otf and ott
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    12-02-2011 , 09:52 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deepak
    nah, his line makes sence

    he can def have KJ, K9, AK/QT (less times), he could have 3bet worse Ax like A8 and just be vbetting, could be doing this with combos, or spazzing in this high card board with lower cards because he thinks he can rep teh high cards

    but considering pot odds, and that even vs KJ we have 12 outs(3xQ, 3xA, 3x9, 4xT) makes this an very easy call
    But pot odds are 2:1 and with 12 outs ott we have an equity of 24% (3:1)
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    12-02-2011 , 10:04 AM
    so what u are saying is:
    if he turns his hand face up and is KJ, we have to fold
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    12-02-2011 , 11:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deepak
    so what u are saying is:
    if he turns his hand face up and is KJ, we have to fold
    nope i agree with calling turn obv, i was just fixing the your answer about odds.
    Anyway, if we are 100% sure his hand is KJ, yes we have to fold cause of the -ev call
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    12-02-2011 , 12:15 PM
    did i say otherwise? was just showing that vs most likely bad scenarios we are not losing many chips
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    12-02-2011 , 12:25 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deepak
    did i say otherwise? was just showing that vs most likely bad scenarios we are not losing many chips

    I thought that you was sayng that if he had KJ the call ott is +ev
    ok man, a little misunderstood by my side then
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    12-02-2011 , 12:41 PM
    Why flat Pre with A,Q if he is tight? Either ship it or fold it(which seems bad even)..what you hoping to hit?

    Top pair, then call the flop and fold turn in fear of him holding A,K? Or hoping to flop a straight? Hoping to hit trip Queens or?

    This is the problem when calling to a "tightish" players 3bet with A,Q you hit top pair and don't know your next move apart from just flatting then when he ships his A,K you ponder on what's the best play.

    As played, you may aswell just ficking shove it now on the flop when he bets. You dug yourself a hole and now have to jump in it and bury yourself.

    Either just 4bet shove PRE or fold (Which sounds ridic) and when called expect him to turn over Jacks+ or A,K.

    Last edited by ramdeebam; 12-02-2011 at 12:47 PM.
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