Villain unknown.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
($520)
[color=red]Hero ($480)

Dealt to Hero 9 Q

Hero raises to $40, calls $20

FLOP ($80) 7 9 8

checks, Hero checks

TURN ($80) 7 9 8 5

checks, Hero bets $40


Should I cbet the flop and how much?
- if yes, what should I do against (1) a small c/r (2) c/shove
- if no, what's the worst value hand I should cbet?

As played is my late cbet good (with intention to fold if raised)?

I don't really play hypers, but why did you not bet the flop?

I would be 60 at least on that board, even if your standard is half pot, and get it in if you get raised.

I know it's usually a good idea to gii tp on drawy flops. I was just thinking that this flop is too drawy, and I'm in a bad shape if I get raised. I made some equilab calculations and those strenghtened my thoughts. That still doesn't mean I shouldn't cbet, and I also might have given villain a wrong cr-range.

you have to cbet/gii here. You're not in bad shape vs 8x or 7x and other 9x, and are doing fine vs draws. Your logic is basically the same (probably even worse) as saying you shouldn't open jam 22 at 15bb since you are never ahead getting it in.

Also as played... you probably have to call a small raise ott because of your fd.

What sort of c/raising range do you give him? 8x, 7x?

Against this: {JTs, 65s, KhJh, KhTh, Js9s, Jc9c, Ts9s, Tc9c, Kh8h, Jh8h, Td8d, Th8h, Ts8s, 9s8s, 9s7s, 9c7c, 8d7d, 8s7s, Ah6h, Kh6h, Jh6h, Th6h, 9s6s, 9c6c, 8h6h, Ah5h, Kh5h, Jh5h, Th5h, 8h5h, Ah4h, Kh4h, Ah3h, Kh3h, Ah2h, Kh2h, JTo, Kd9s, Kd9c, Kh9s, Kh9c, Ks9c, Kc9s, Qd9s, Qd9c, Qs9c, Qc9s, Jd9s, Jd9c, Jh9s, Jh9c, Js9c, Jc9s, Td9s, Td9c, Th9s, Th9c, Ts9c, Tc9s, 9s8d, 9s8h, 9c8d, 9c8h, 9c8s, 9s7d, 9s7c, 9c7d, 9c7s, 8d7s, 8d7c, 8h7d, 8h7s, 8h7c, 8s7d, 8s7c} we're 36% underdog and we'd need 40% after a cbet.

this is true of course.

cbet flop, as played bet bigger turn

So you are saying villains never checkraise bluff, or CALL flop with worse?

People often stack off with mid pair no kicker otf in lowstakes hypers...and plenty c/shove naked eight-outer draws as their "standard".
Cbet, fistpump gii if raised. Otherwise cbet barrel w/ intention to gii on a lot of cards.

Well, I wouldn't add many zero-equity bluff combinations without a reason in this board. Now I broadened the range with more semibluffs (top-oesds without hearts also) and almost got 40% equity against that. Many villains play draws passively though, so I'm not sure if that's realistic.
And yes they call flop with worse, that's an argument for cbetting, but not for cbet/calling.

On the other hand villain probably shoves the worst part of his cr-range and makes a smaller raise with straights and two pair hands, so it is an easy call vs a shove. Against a smaller raise we still can't fold unless the turn is 6, T or J, so not much is changing?


In my experience this doesn't happen very often. I'd like to have atleast some read that villain is ******ed.

^Well, they check/shove those a lot, when effective stacks get shorter(but not that short where it becomes correct). They do call check/shoves with those deeper, but that's different from check/shoving themselves, ofc.
Overall I think you can definitely expect Q2s+, Q~5o+ to be in raise his range, and adding some top 8x'es won't be a mistake. You can expect all combo draws to be raising, and pretty often you'll see naked draws do the same. You can remove KQ and AQ from his range, even if it won't be true for every villain. You're happy GII against that range. I really don't expect only 2pair, great draw or better to be raising here...on the contrary, I could see TPGK flat cbet on a dry board, but not on a one like this.


I'm cbet-folding no-draw 8x and 7x on this board, too. I don't see a reason to pot control vs unknown; let him prove to be able to c/r first.

where is naked Tx, hands like 53hh, 94, QT...? and even vs this unplausibly value heavy range we're almost getting the odds to call a jam. easy b/c 50 chips imo

I agree with that and further, why wouldnt we cbet, we are NEVER planning on folding to a shove would we? The only reason i wouldnt cbet here would be if i was scared of his raise and i had to fold to him - but with TP3K and a backdoor flush/straight thats just not the case imo.