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11-13-2013 , 04:25 PM
    Poker Stars, $6.71 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20679721

    Hero (BB): 1,124 (28.1 bb)
    SB: 1,876 (46.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 6
    SB raises to 80, Hero calls 40

    Flop: (160) A 9 A (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 100, Hero calls 100

    Turn: (360) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 190, Hero folds




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    Just need a line check on this one. I really struggle with these type of hands.

    Pre Flop - I feel I'm too deep to shove and I'm not keen on 3! and swelling the pot OOP. Villain has a VPIP and PFR of 80% but only over 22 hands.
    Flop - Pretty dry and I feel there's a good chance I'm ahead. Villain has c-bet 4/5 times.
    Turn - Another overcard. Just feel out of my depth now. Even if I'm still ahead I'm not sure what my plan is on the river if I check and he fires again.

    Completely lost!
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    11-13-2013 , 04:44 PM
    shove pre, fold flop.
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    11-13-2013 , 04:55 PM
    How deep do stacks need to be before this isn't an auto shove.
    I've only been shoving these at 20bb maybe a little deeper.
    All that being said shoving pre would have made things a whole lot simpler

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    11-13-2013 , 09:15 PM
    I shove this pp from 25bb's
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    11-13-2013 , 10:24 PM
    Haven't run numbers but against a PFR of 80% you can shove comfortably even 30bb deep.
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    11-13-2013 , 11:45 PM
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    11-14-2013 , 01:11 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by watergun7
    shove pre, fold flop.
    Absolutely agree with push pre, but wondering about the fold on the flop. Can a case be made for calling down here? Hero is ahead of a lot, if not most of villain's range on flop (readless, of course. If villain is c-betting a low percentage, then it makes perfect sense to me. Turn is a great card for barreling for villain, so I'm not sure I see why calling down isn't correct here (again readless). I'm not saying it is, I have way to little knowledge of this game at this point to try to claim that, but I'm having trouble understanding why folding either the flop or the turn is preferable to calling down. If anyone would explain the reasoning there, i'd greatly appreciate it and it might help eliminate some spew from my game...
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    11-14-2013 , 01:56 AM
    Both shoving or flatting pre is more +ev than folding at 30bb deep imo. I don't mind shoving vs agg player to get rid of tough postflop situation but flatting is fine as well 30bb deep. you played fine once you see the flop until you see him double barreling often enough to continue.

    Well, if he is cbetting a lot I would just shove pre without much thought.
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