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09-09-2015 , 06:00 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $6.71 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37106355

BB: 1,535 (25.6 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,465 (24.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 Q
Hero raises to 120, BB calls 60

Flop: (240) 3 6 Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 120, BB raises to 360, Hero ???

I'd been playing aggressively throughout, betting all my buttons as villain wasn't defending much, and c betting as he'd play fit or fold on the flop. As blinds had gone up though he'd started to defend more against both.

Am I right to be worried about my kicker here or is it too late in the match to worry?
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09-09-2015 , 06:36 PM
More info on V please.
Has he re-raised your c-bet before?
Has he done this with worse than top pair?

Those situations are V dependant.
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09-10-2015 , 01:07 AM
How wide was he defending vs an open raise?

I think that we should check back on the flop, because our hand is not strong enough to stand aggression. And this is not a hand with which we can get 3 streets of value from worse.
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09-10-2015 , 07:46 AM
Against good opponents you should usually limp preflop and usually check back flop.

Against the opponent you are describing you can play it any way you want, but I think you should at least call the x/r and perhaps on some turn/river cards.

It is also important to know how much villain is 3betting (are KQo, QJo or AQo in his flatting range?) and how often he folds (are Q3s, Q3o or Q6o in his flatting range?).
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09-11-2015 , 01:28 PM
In my opinion no matter what you do can be defined as "bad", except shoving or re raising. The question that you should ask yourself is "is he 3beting his QK AQ", is he re raising those hands on that board" , " is he re raising with absolute nothing" and then make a decision. If opponent started defending and playing back i would definitely float and then make a decision on turn, if he was playing playing really tight without 3beting, check raising, etc i might even fold and just move to another hand.
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09-11-2015 , 02:56 PM
He was only defending BB about 45% of the time although I suspect if I reviewed more recent hands in the match he had started to defend more.
I don't recall him raising a c bet before and as for 3 betting this was rare so it's possible some big Q and 2 pairs are in this flatting range

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09-19-2015 , 04:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axif
How wide was he defending vs an open raise?

I think that we should check back on the flop, because our hand is not strong enough to stand aggression. And this is not a hand with which we can get 3 streets of value from worse.
That is not making any sense whatsoever,
Ok when blinds are this big Q4 is borderline limp or fold.
It depends on the aggression of the villain and the reads that we have developed from previous matches about his flatting range or his 3-bet bluffing range.
We hit TPWK in a board that is super wet with so many draws that checking here is brutal.
We don't know if his flatting range is like premium Qx hands so we are gonna play as we would have played this hand against any other opposition.
I mean would you check back with A2o in a Ah7h5d flop just because our hand is not strong enough to stand aggression????I highly doubt it.
We must take value from all his draws so checking back a flop like that is atrocious IMO!
And as for 2 pair it's hard to believe he flats Q3 and Q6 against a raise OOP!
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09-19-2015 , 05:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kakospaidis
That is not making any sense whatsoever,
Ok when blinds are this big Q4 is borderline limp or fold.
Why? OP says Villains plays 45% oop which is way too tight. I would hammering him and raise q4 at any stack depth.
And Q4o plays bad in limped pot no?
Then personnaly I raise preflop too.

Then cbetting here seems fine to me too and I don't mind folding here given the notes on Villain.
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09-19-2015 , 04:50 PM
[QUOTE=Podelapin;48148722]Why? OP says Villains plays 45% oop which is way too tight. I would hammering him and raise q4 at any stack depth.
And Q4o plays bad in limped pot no?./QUOTE]

He says that when the blinds get bigger he starts defending wider and stopped playing fit or fold to c-bets.I really don't know since if we raise and lets say we don't hit this flop against this guy,our main advantage is to take down the pot in many dry flops.
Since he stops playing fit or fold when the blinds increase raising and betting with this hand is IMO a losing strategy.
His calling range is wider on the flop too and we might need to double barrel a lot to get him of a hand that is marginal.
Imo limping is fine with Q4 because villain is not so aggro and attacks limps(I suppose from his image) and play the hand from there.
Usually when the blonds get deeper I like to have some garbage hands in my limping range tha are trashy like Q4S,T5,84,T3 etc!
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