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7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot 7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot

10-02-2011 , 04:27 PM
First of all, hullo everyone!

Now, on to the hand.

    Poker Stars, $6.71 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10743992

    BB: 1,000 (33.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): 2,000 (66.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
    Hero raises to 75, BB raises to 210, Hero calls 135

    Flop: (420) 2 9 9 (2 players)
    BB bets 790 and is all-in, Hero calls 790

    Turn: (2,000) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (2,000) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 2,000 pot
    Final Board: 2 9 9 3 T
    BB showed 4 A and lost (-1,000 net)
    Hero showed T A and won 2,000 (1,000 net)



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    Opponent was tightish preflop, loosened up in reaction to my opening 90% of BTs. He had 3bet me a few times before, and this was his biggest sizing yet.

    This is close to the bottom of my defending range pre-flop.

    I called the flop fairly quickly, but in hindsight wasn't sure if it was so standard. Thoughts?

    This is the first time he pulls a go-n-go
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-02-2011 , 04:41 PM
    I don't love to call here because the fact that you have an Ax hand makes your opponent less likely have one which just draw us to conclusion that often he has here some sort of pair hand so I don't see us too often ahead on here.
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    10-05-2011 , 03:45 AM
    I will never call here unless I have a history with the opponnent...
    Is very hard to comment this hand blind...
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    10-05-2011 , 05:40 AM
    With a pair i'm calling, but A high is behind of any pair and you said it was his biggest sizing so he could now have like AT+ that also beats you.
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    10-05-2011 , 06:05 AM
    you call 790 to win 420 in the pot you invested 210, your hand is weak, given the fact this is his first donk-shove, you make profitable call here w AT of spades only
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-05-2011 , 03:10 PM
    Snap all pocketpairs, but fold AT since this is AT+ a ****load that is scared to play post.
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-05-2011 , 05:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
    Snap all pocketpairs, but fold AT since this is AT+ a ****load that is scared to play post.
    right i didn't think that AT+ was part of his range, but thats obvious now. Its just that he would think that any pp pair was the nuts on that board, so he would slow down instead of shove.
    If he's doing this will all Ax i'm 49.6% to 50.4%, so its a fold i guess
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-05-2011 , 06:34 PM
    First of all
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PlzDon'tCall
    If he's doing this will all Ax i'm 49.6% to 50.4%, so its a fold i guess
    this would be an easy call, because we have f**kin odds. We need to have like 39%.

    Secondly, it's a typical math problem and I believe you can assign his range the best since you played the guy. Use something like pokerstove or equilab (much better as we can assign some percentages of certain hands), play around with ranges and find it out.

    Thirdly, I don't think he would do as played with stuff like 9x, probably not even pockets. He should realize (?) that he the gets value from nothing probably. But somehow as played I'm more toward folding but I'm really not sure about it.

    Fourthly, I ship it pre this deep, given some decent 3-bet frequencies.
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    10-05-2011 , 08:06 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crazyriver
    First of all this would be an easy call, because we have f**kin odds. We need to have like 39%.

    Secondly, it's a typical math problem and I believe you can assign his range the best since you played the guy. Use something like pokerstove or equilab (much better as we can assign some percentages of certain hands), play around with ranges and find it out.

    Thirdly, I don't think he would do as played with stuff like 9x, probably not even pockets. He should realize (?) that he the gets value from nothing probably. But somehow as played I'm more toward folding but I'm really not sure about it.

    Fourthly, I ship it pre this deep, given some decent 3-bet frequencies.
    right, thanks.
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-06-2011 , 01:12 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PlzDon'tCall
    Opponent was tightish preflop, loosened up in reaction to my opening 90% of BTs. He had 3bet me a few times before, and this was his biggest sizing yet.
    Depending on his 3betting frequencies, this may be better to Jam. I would have to have more info on the hands he has shown in 3bet pots (if any) and his frequency to be more certain.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PlzDon'tCall
    This is close to the bottom of my defending range pre-flop.

    I called the flop fairly quickly, but in hindsight wasn't sure if it was so standard. Thoughts?

    This is the first time he pulls a go-n-go
    I don't get how ATo is at the bottom of your defending range, I would think this would be at the top of your defending range. I assume AK, AQ you 4bet jam pre and AJ vs the majority of opponents as well. If you are opening 90% and defending only 10% or so that may be a leak vs someone who adjusts and starts 3betting you more often, as you are either going to have to be calling wider or 4betting lighter (such as ATo).

    Its unfortunate as we are near the top of our range here (assuming all PP ship pre), but I think a fold here is best as this line is so often Ax and most of the Ax he 3bets beats us in general.
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-06-2011 , 01:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by greenbast
    Depending on his 3betting frequencies, this may be better to Jam. I would have to have more info on the hands he has shown in 3bet pots (if any) and his frequency to be more certain.



    I don't get how ATo is at the bottom of your defending range, I would think this would be at the top of your defending range. I assume AK, AQ you 4bet jam pre and AJ vs the majority of opponents as well. If you are opening 90% and defending only 10% or so that may be a leak vs someone who adjusts and starts 3betting you more often, as you are either going to have to be calling wider or 4betting lighter (such as ATo).

    Its unfortunate as we are near the top of our range here (assuming all PP ship pre), but I think a fold here is best as this line is so often Ax and most of the
    Ax he 3bets beats us in general.
    Thats a great point, ill have to look at my dfends more carefully. But i never considered jamming ATo 66 BB deep. Isnt that when we get shallower?
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-06-2011 , 01:55 PM
    You are only 33bb deep.
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    10-06-2011 , 02:04 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by meoww
    You are only 33bb deep.
    No thats villain
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-06-2011 , 02:52 PM
    generally I'm folding readless coz I don't expect much A-rag/K-rag hands w this 3b sizing, and PPs/A9+ are a lot of combos, but given the history idk it's close

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PlzDon'tCall
    No thats villain
    no youre 33bb deep too ducy
    7$ Turbo ATo in 3bet pot Quote
    10-06-2011 , 04:13 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PlzDon'tCall
    No thats villain
    Maybe you should get through this because you seem to have some pretty important misunderstandings (like not calling because you are 49% against his range or this quoted statement). Really, there you can find a very good content
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    10-06-2011 , 04:36 PM
    I think you both played it badly from start to finish and every step in between.
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    10-06-2011 , 04:43 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crazyriver
    Maybe you should get through this because you seem to have some pretty important misunderstandings (like not calling because you are 49% against his range or this quoted statement). Really, there you can find a very good content
    lol, me getting owned in the thread
    I will definitly read all that through, thanks for the link!
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