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08-17-2011 , 10:25 AM

fishyy88

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 441

4th hand of the match - no reads

Poker Stars, $6.71 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10293152

Hero (BB): 1,560 (78 bb)
SB: 1,440 (72 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

SB raises to 40, Hero raises to 135, SB calls 95

Flop: (270) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets 175, SB calls 175

Turn: (620) J

(2 players)
Hero bets 380, SB calls 380

River: (1,380) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets 870 and is all-in, SB calls 750 and is all-in

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08-17-2011 , 02:21 PM

chesslw

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 128

Imo yes. I'm only ever checking here to induce a bluff from missed draws, but readless I would assume that villain isn't capable of doing that, and is more likely to call down lighter.

If you check, then you miss a ton of value, and have to call a shove readless, so might as well bet and get heroed by J9 of spades type hands which might checkbehind.

Also imo you should bet slightly bigger on the turn (say 420).

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08-17-2011 , 02:34 PM

Happyz

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 445

what is you reasons for not wanting to bet river ?

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08-17-2011 , 02:45 PM

daviid

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,639

id go slightly smaller pre and might occasionally check the turn cause i cant really see how we get three streets of value from worse. thats prolly wrong tho since its a 7$ and people will almost always think sth like "i haz a pair, i calls all the way down, cuz i haz a pair". if u bet turn u have a great stack set up for a nice rivershove and i cant see doing anything else if i did bet ott.

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08-18-2011 , 06:08 AM

fishyy88

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 441

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Originally Posted by Happyz

what is you reasons for not wanting to bet river ?

Well, he called my 3bet and didn't raise flop so he might be slowplaying. I've been in a lot of spots where I flop TPTK oop and end up stacking off against a slowplayed set or 2 pair. It feels like an ace would raise flop most of the time and he just called 2 streets, so it's pretty suspicious. Anyway I feel that shoving river is a good play because we're never folding anyway and a lot of hands are just checnig behind. Just wanted to know what u guys think about it

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08-18-2011 , 06:14 AM

fishyy88

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 441

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Originally Posted by chesslw

Also imo you should bet slightly bigger on the turn (say 420).

Imo the sizing is perfect here beacause I leave myself an ideal bet otr which is 54% of the pot (his 750 to 1380). I bet 64% otf 61% ott and 54% otr. Why whould you use different sizing?

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08-18-2011 , 11:50 AM

stone75

adept

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 881

I think this is a perfect hand for three streets of value. I really agree with chesslw with a slightly bigger turn bet (this is the last street to get money from draws). Once he calls this bet he has a really hard time folding the river with any hand that has showdown value.

Value betting river is > check/calling, because in a 3-bet pot and us barreling two times villain can easily put us on Ax when he has a draw and so he will probably not try to bluff the river with a busted FD. Especially at low stakes line is often call / call / check behind when missed even when no sd-value.

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08-18-2011 , 12:01 PM

JSpazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,694

wp, don't check. ppl will call you down w 8x/6x so no need to worry about jack falling

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08-18-2011 , 03:54 PM

themuppets

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,629

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Originally Posted by fishyy88

Why whould you use different sizing?

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Originally Posted by stone75

(this is the last street to get money from draws). Once he calls this bet he has a really hard time folding the river with any hand that has showdown value.

For this same reason, I don't think we mind if we set up the river bet to be a little bit smaller as it makes it easier for villain to talk himself into a call. We really only need to preserve a large spr if we're considering a 3-barrel bluff (obv not the case here).

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