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08-02-2013 , 02:00 PM

davido-tortelloni

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 180

Opponent was 60PFR 44CO 55,6//3Bet.
He had maniac tendencies, wouldn't classify as a complete maniac tho.
In endgame I raised less hands, first was a K3o. He jammed over and i folded.
Then couple of hands later i got K4s and he shoved again.
This time i called, 15bb deep and he held A3s.

Did I overdo it with adopting? Is it spewy or does it make sense against this type?

Poker Stars, $6.71 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18709381

BB: 920 (15.3 bb)
Hero (SB): 2,080 (34.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4

Hero raises to 120, BB raises to 920 and is all-in, Hero calls 800

Flop: (1,840) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (1,840) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (1,840) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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08-03-2013 , 12:37 PM

jif

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 96

This is a good question, I struggle in these spots quite a bit. For me I think it depends on how often he is shoving. If its every time I open or every other hand. If he is constantly doing this then I would call with Kx maybe even Qx.

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08-07-2013 , 03:59 AM

davido-tortelloni

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 180

I come to the conclusion that the kicker is too low even against a maniac.
And the hand will be dominated quite a bit.
Perhaps in this spot something like 78s//t9s// is better.
But this was one of the games where I just didn't get any cards or didn't flop anything.
So what do you do in those games?
Had a similair spot, game, and ran into kto with k4o against a maniac 80%3bet.

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08-07-2013 , 12:57 PM

LoveThee

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,012

If he is shoving 100% of hands then it is widely +EV.
If he is shoving 50% of hands then it is neutral ev.

He is definitely not shoving 100% of hands.
He is probably not shoving 50% of hands. He may, but his range is between 10-50. So you should consider it to be lower than 50 in actuality, therefore your EV is lower than 0 by calling, therefore you fold.

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08-07-2013 , 01:50 PM

Cogar

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 87

I think this is an interesting question

we need about 43,5% equity

if he shoves with 50% and i put it in equilab (assuming he pushes the top range) we have 45,5%. If he also has a flating range consisting of hands that play well, we have even more equity.
So i think if we have stastically valid informaton that he shoves 55,6% we definetly have to call. Or am i wrong?

Also i have another Question:
If the 55,6% comes from 5 out of 9 times is it good to go? If the hud is divided by bb lvls and shows 5/9 its enough for me. Is that a mistake?

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08-09-2013 , 06:02 AM

hashinsh

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 53

To me this would be clear fold. It's still deep enough not to call with K4 and look for better spots. If he is on maniac side, then you definitely will have better spot. BB is just 60, so being patient should pay off.

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08-09-2013 , 08:44 AM

yay

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,059

fold

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08-09-2013 , 11:10 AM

WinkMe

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 138

I fold too

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