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Old 10-24-2018, 10:26 AM   #1
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7$ stars hypers playability

I grinded 3.5$ husng hypers for 1000 games (smallish sample) for 5.5% EV ROI. Was scoping every opponent who sat on my table so i can make tags etc, there were a lot of subpar opponents. I thought about moving up to 7$ while continuing the same strategy, always registering on empty tables, but on my first 50 games, 48 were against mediocre regs/ good regs. Is this how the 7$ husng are played? Outplaying the mediocre regs? Does that make enough of a ROI? I'm not using any kind of seating software, should i?
Seeking advice from someone who's climbed already if possible, thanks in advance <3
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Old 10-24-2018, 12:50 PM   #2
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

As far as I know (a bit outdated) you don't need registering software (sharky) for 7s and there's no organized lobby defense there. There are basically no good regs at 7s and should be plenty of fish, but it could be that some higher volume recs start showing up more often at 7s? I haven't played 7s in a couple years now so not 100% sure but I don't think you should have many problems with regs there, at least once you establish yourself. Maybe some of the regs will think you're a fish and sit you for a few games in the beginning.

All that really changes starting with 15s when sharky becomes more necessary and divs start defending the lobbies from randoms, but 7s should be pretty much like 3.5s afaik.
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Old 10-24-2018, 05:39 PM   #3
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

Are you only open sitting? Regs aren't gonna test you too much and you should be able to get 95%+ fish games. If you're sitting whoevers in the lobby it's going to be a different story.
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Old 10-25-2018, 08:39 AM   #4
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

I went to sit them a few days ago and needed sharkystrator to opensit effectively. But regs are not good at all so is completely possible to make $$ either way
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:08 AM   #5
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

I wouldn't be surprised if you needed sharky at certain hours at 7s to get a lobby with a 15s division now
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Old 10-25-2018, 12:11 PM   #6
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

Only opensitting of course, thank you everyone for the advices, i will try early morning hours to see if there's a difference
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Old 10-27-2018, 03:16 PM   #7
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FYI, it is full of fish when regs stop bothering you, been playing 21:00-08:00 eastern european time, fish sit me 75%+
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:21 AM   #8
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

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I grinded 3.5$ husng hypers for 1000 games (smallish sample) for 5.5% EV ROI. Was scoping every opponent who sat on my table so i can make tags etc, there were a lot of subpar opponents. I thought about moving up to 7$ while continuing the same strategy, always registering on empty tables, but on my first 50 games, 48 were against mediocre regs/ good regs. Is this how the 7$ husng are played? Outplaying the mediocre regs? Does that make enough of a ROI? I'm not using any kind of seating software, should i?
Seeking advice from someone who's climbed already if possible, thanks in advance <3
what's your hourly or how long did it take u to grind 1000 games?
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Old 11-04-2018, 01:51 AM   #9
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

i was dual tabling, and only single tabled when there was a big fish rematching me so i can focus on exploiting. Averaged 19.5 games/hour
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:21 AM   #10
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

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As far as I know (a bit outdated) you don't need registering software (sharky) for 7s and there's no organized lobby defense there. There are basically no good regs at 7s and should be plenty of fish, but it could be that some higher volume recs start showing up more often at 7s? I haven't played 7s in a couple years now so not 100% sure but I don't think you should have many problems with regs there, at least once you establish yourself. Maybe some of the regs will think you're a fish and sit you for a few games in the beginning.

All that really changes starting with 15s when sharky becomes more necessary and divs start defending the lobbies from randoms, but 7s should be pretty much like 3.5s afaik.
This statement is not valid anymore on 2018. The 7s have changed since 15s established a division. It is basically like 15s was a couple of years ago. Def some goodish regs playing there and I would strongly recommend sharky for 7s to play effectively. Furthermore some 15s div guys do sometimes get some action from 7s also.
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Old 11-16-2018, 03:01 PM   #11
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

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i was dual tabling, and only single tabled when there was a big fish rematching me so i can focus on exploiting. Averaged 19.5 games/hour


Never heard any good player 1 tabling fish lol as it doesn't make any sense.
Fish generally easier to outplay so by dropping 1 table there's no way you can compensate the volume you lose while 1 tabling.
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:44 PM   #12
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This statement is not valid anymore on 2018. The 7s have changed since 15s established a division. It is basically like 15s was a couple of years ago. Def some goodish regs playing there and I would strongly recommend sharky for 7s to play effectively. Furthermore some 15s div guys do sometimes get some action from 7s also.
Was searching for such info tbh, thanks mate
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Old 11-16-2018, 06:17 PM   #13
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Never heard any good player 1 tabling fish lol as it doesn't make any sense.
Fish generally easier to outplay so by dropping 1 table there's no way you can compensate the volume you lose while 1 tabling.
Not sure if we're talking about the same game format. In Hypers you don't multitable the same guy cause it doesn't work that way. Moreover with 25bb stacks and limits changing every 2 mins you play a bit more hands vs the big fish on the earlier limits while singe tabling and it's easier to understand what each of his actions means compared to when you split your focus playing a fish and a reg at the same time.
In theory if opening a second table with a random opponent in hypers is 6% ev roi then if your single table ev roi vs big fish is improving 6% when singe tabling instead of dual tabling,then you are compensating the volume lost. In practice it is improving way more. On later matches i generally get 50+% ev roi easily cause i know what each of the fish's plays means and i exploit it. If i was playing a reg at the same time, or even a second fish which would require different exploits i wouldn't have the same ev dominance over my initial opponent.
Seems pretty logical to me and actually proven in practice
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Old 11-16-2018, 06:56 PM   #14
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

In general TRT is right, no way single tabling rematching fish will be better than opening another table vs random fish.
But its possible, lets say you cant handle 2 tables and your roi drops, so instead of 6% ev 1 tabling rematching fish, you get 3% 2 tabling, 1 tabling will be much better in this case, but in a case you have 6% ev two tabling than its not possible that 1 tabling is better, you cant have 12% ev roi in hypers.
Also im not sure what you mean with 50%+ ev roi, if you actually mean that, than I have to disappoint you, thats not possible.
Main reason why would you want to keep tables to minimum is it focus on improving.
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Old 11-17-2018, 02:47 AM   #15
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

Hi, someone know how much time sharkystrator need to confirm my payment? i pay 2 days ago via neteller and they are not confirming my payment..
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Old 11-17-2018, 06:16 PM   #16
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In general TRT is right, no way single tabling rematching fish will be better than opening another table vs random fish.
But its possible, lets say you cant handle 2 tables and your roi drops, so instead of 6% ev 1 tabling rematching fish, you get 3% 2 tabling, 1 tabling will be much better in this case, but in a case you have 6% ev two tabling than its not possible that 1 tabling is better, you cant have 12% ev roi in hypers.
Also im not sure what you mean with 50%+ ev roi, if you actually mean that, than I have to disappoint you, thats not possible.
Main reason why would you want to keep tables to minimum is it focus on improving.
1) Opening a second sng hyper doesn't guarantee you that it will be vs a fish, the average player is a 50% field beaten good fish/bad reg, not as exploitable as a bad fish
2) Getting a 50+% roi on later matches vs a single very bad opponent whose gameplay you have cracked isn't even far-fetched
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:37 AM   #17
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Re: 7$ stars hypers playability

maybe you're confusing roi with winrate?
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