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12-04-2011 , 02:58 PM
How do you play 22-55?

do you see any difference between playing 22 or 55? I dont and thats y I would play 55 like 22.

fold vs tight
call vs fish?
fold vs random?




Hero (BB): 570 (28.5 bb)
SB: 430 (21.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 5
SB raises to 40, Hero raises to 120, SB raises to 430 and is all-in, Hero calls ??
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12-04-2011 , 03:07 PM
do you know what pokerstove is? do you know what ranges are? if those terms are unknown to you, the answer that you should 3bet all in against almost everyone won't help you alot.
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12-04-2011 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ohly
do you know what pokerstove is? do you know what ranges are? if those terms are unknown to you, the answer that you should 3bet all in against almost everyone won't help you alot.
sure.
To be more clear.

fold vs tight: think villian wont do that with worse than A8,A9+,66+,sometimes KQ, KJ. I mena we are 20 bb deep.

call vs fish: range should be very wide and not calculable.

fold vs random? this is the question I am very interested in. what to do as a default. easy fold?
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12-04-2011 , 03:26 PM
Y 3b/f ldo.
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12-04-2011 , 03:53 PM
just 3bet shove pre. your hand is too strong to fold (obv) and it really doesnt play well postflop oop, shoving is gonna be best against all opponents.
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12-04-2011 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Going4King
sure.
To be more clear.

fold vs tight: think villian wont do that with worse than A8,A9+,66+,sometimes KQ, KJ. I mena we are 20 bb deep.

call vs fish: range should be very wide and not calculable.

fold vs random? this is the question I am very interested in. what to do as a default. easy fold?
3bet jam pre always. don't really know how write why it is best hoping somewhere more experienced will explain
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12-04-2011 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyz
3bet jam pre always. don't really know how write why it is best hoping somewhere more experienced will explain
well, shoving is better than folding against basically all opening ranges, so u can eliminate folding just by doing a simple equity equation against his range. And flatting or 3betting smaller isnt gonna be better, since 55 plays so bad postflop, especially oop.
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12-04-2011 , 04:31 PM
jam pre ainec. what zorzak said. don't think about it too much--it's best option by far so just fist pump gii.
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12-04-2011 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by zorzak
just 3bet shove pre. your hand is too strong to fold (obv) and it really doesnt play well postflop oop, shoving is gonna be best against all opponents.
A pair (55 in this case) has like 55-45% vs two overcards if i'm correct.

This means that he's likely to call with (for example) good aces (A8+) wich means you have make money on the long run because you have are ahead if i'm not mistaken?
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12-04-2011 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctorqt
A pair (55 in this case) has like 55-45% vs two overcards if i'm correct.

This means that he's likely to call with (for example) good aces (A8+) wich means you have make money on the long run because you have are ahead if i'm not mistaken?
well, when you get called, you arent gonna like crush his range or anything. the most value comes from him folding so often.

actually, the shove is ev+ against any calling range (assuming he isnt the biggest nit in the world with his openings).

Lets say he opens 40% of all hands preflop:

If he only calls your shove with hands that are better than 55 (or have good enough pot odds to call), he is folding so often that you are making money (dont forget: even when you get called, you still have a lot of equity and are gonna win at showdown a decent amount)

If he lets say calls with all 40% of hands, than you have more than 50% equity against that, so you gain value again.

And all calling ranges in between are gonna be EV+ for you too.

[btw: EV=f*(chips in the pot)+(1-f)*(p*(extra chips if you go AI and win; compared to folding)-(1-p)*(minus chips if you go AI and lose; compared to folding))... where f=fold equity and p=pot equity]

Try to play with PokerStove or Equilab by yourself A LOT, its the best way to learn and really understand all this.
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