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08-11-2011 , 09:41 AM
Hi,
Opponent between loose passive - loose agressive and are thinking about what could I have. Caught him bluffing once.


PokerStars - $6.67+$0.33|20/40 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: 1,110.00
Hero (SB): 1,890.00

Hero posts SB 20.00, BB posts BB 40.00

Pre Flop: (60.00) Hero has Q 6

Hero calls 20.00, BB checks

Flop: (80.00, 2 players) 9 J A
BB checks, Hero bets 50.00, BB raises to 120.00, Hero calls 70.00

Turn: (320.00, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (320.00, 2 players) 2
BB bets 320.00, Hero calls 320.00

What do you think about river call?
He checkraises me on flop, he could do ir with strong hands and FD cos I was cbeting/beting IP a lot. I have grate odds and call. And on turn he checks and on river fires pot size bet. I think all his strong hands would bet on turn cos there are 3 spades so most likely he made check raise with fd and now missed and makes bluff + I have caught him bluffing but maby because of this he pointedly makes his hand look like bluff?
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08-11-2011 , 09:51 AM
I like your reasoning in this hand, and given history a call on the river isn't the worse thing in the world.

That being said i'd still fold here. We beat only a stone cold bluff here, like, we might even lose to hands he THINKS he's bluffing with like a pair of 9s. He may also play a flush draw this way, hoping he can check/raise the turn, same for Ax type hands... he should absolutely bet those hands but it's possible he checked going for a check/raise.

I think at the river its just a bit too marginal, we need to be right here 25% of the time and i'm not sure that we win it this often. I'd rather fold here and wait for him to do this again when we have a stronger hand to call down with.
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08-11-2011 , 10:06 AM
Any other spots in which villain bet the river full pot? I doubt that you will see any villain check-raising the nuts twice. Still I don´t think calling is right, bc he could play J,9 with a spade like this, prob even AX with spade. And if he´s the player to play like this I certainly would like to save my chips for a better spot
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08-11-2011 , 10:16 AM
If there wouldnt be this hand couple hands ago I think I would folded. Kinda I am revealing results but river bet was bluff with AK.
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08-11-2011 , 10:28 AM
why would you bet the flop?
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08-11-2011 , 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohly
why would you bet the flop?
He was folding to bets a lot, so it was kinda semibluff
Should I check this flop?
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08-11-2011 , 01:04 PM
meh, if he's folding to flop cont-bets a lot then his check-raise is usually going to be pretty strong.

Think I bet/fold the turn too much here. Makes life easier but obv you don't get to see a free river card -- but in my experience I'm flat calling pretty much every river card -- so by betting the turn yourself you lose a 1/2 potsized bet instead of >1/2 pot. (The counter-argument here is villain won't always bet the river himself -- or might underbet it -- meaning you'll lose less than when you bet 1/2 yourself, but by check-raising the flop it's apparent he'll need to either bluff or value bet the river nearly always anyway).

Betting the turn yourself is a means of pot-control IMO.

As played I fold the river. The only hand I think you're beating is KT with a spade, and after checking the turn you kind of tell him that you have some sort of equity -- making value bets easier and bluffs less likely.
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08-11-2011 , 01:18 PM
ok, ty for replies. He had K5
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