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11-29-2011 , 09:57 PM

Pajak666

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Villain was very passive, he slowplayed trips, either didn't bet with pocket sevens on Jc Jd 3h Jh 5h. He was kind of station'ish
First time he raised OTR. easy fold?

Poker Stars, $6.85 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11175282

Hero (BB): 475 (15.8 bb)
SB: 525 (17.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: (60) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (60) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets 30, SB calls 30

River: (120) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets 90, SB raises to 270, Hero calls 180

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12-01-2011 , 09:10 AM

meatpies19

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vs a villain with reads like this it seams like this should be a fold, especially with his sizing. I really doubt that he would bluff with a small sizing on this type of board. you also said that he didnt bet for thinish value in a very obvious spot so I think we can take two pair combos out of villains range here. it seems like a standard fold given the reads that we have. feels kind of nitty in game but it sounds like the right play.

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12-01-2011 , 09:27 AM

dennisf

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Dont worry about a fold. Call with the second nuts on stakes 7$ ST.

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12-02-2011 , 01:32 AM

meatpies19

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^^

don't let the stake level souly influence your decision. use your reads. dont disgard information you have in leu of random generalizations.

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12-02-2011 , 06:30 AM

Rusemandingo

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Originally Posted by dennisf

Dont worry about a fold. Call with the second nuts on stakes 7$ ST.

flushdraw got there

with reads seems like a moderately easy fold.

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12-02-2011 , 01:20 PM

JSpazz

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easy call imo, there is so much stuff he could have slowplayed and you need only like 25% to call

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12-02-2011 , 04:37 PM

dennisf

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Originally Posted by meatpies19

^^

don't let the stake level souly influence your decision. use your reads. dont disgard information you have in leu of random generalizations.

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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo

flushdraw got there

with reads seems like a moderately easy fold.

Guys you are basically right. But dont ignore other important facts.

I trained myself to adapt my A poker to the stakes. Without reads "I think" you should play your ABC-Poker. With reads of course not. Playing 100$ ST is a huge different as playing the 7$ stakes in my eyes. People love playing poker and dont think about anything. And I believe 4 out of 5 people you playing against just dont think and enjoy playing poker and what they are to.

still easy call for me.

Last edited by dennisf; 12-02-2011 at 04:45 PM.

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12-02-2011 , 04:55 PM

pretorian_st

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Dont worry about a fold. Call with the second nuts on stakes 7$ ST.

Not really second nuts... Even if we count any flush as a nut, there is still better straight out there.
Anyway I would call...

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12-02-2011 , 04:58 PM

dennisf

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you are right of course sorry

I correct myself " call with the third nuts".

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12-02-2011 , 07:24 PM

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meatpies19

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Originally Posted by JSpazz

easy call imo, there is so much stuff he could have slowplayed and you need only like 25% to call

when we have the read that he didn't value bet in a very obvious spot do you really expect a villain like this to play a set or 2 pair like this on the river? vs someone who isn't capable of making standard/thin value bets I wouldn't expect them to be bluffing enough for us to be good 25% here.

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12-03-2011 , 08:47 AM

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JSpazz

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a random not vbetting overpair on tripped board is more probably a buttonclicker new to the game than a very tight player, especially on 7s imo. I think this is very rarely a pure bluff or a one pair hand, and I don't expect anywhere near 50% vs his range, but 2pair+ is deffo possible if he's a whale. gameflow could def make me fold here but in a vacuum w the reads we got here this is a call

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12-03-2011 , 09:04 AM

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meatpies19

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maybe I'm just becoming a nit

. I still think its pretty close

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12-03-2011 , 10:14 AM

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ohly

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imo your vbet of 90 is too big against his perceived range of middle pair hands and draws, given that a scarecard hit.

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