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03-31-2017 , 03:26 AM

Bombardir

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PokerStars - 10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players

Hero (SB): 20.2 BB
BB: 29.8 BB (VPIP: 63.46, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q

Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 6

BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Turn: (8 BB, 2 players) A

BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

River: (16 BB, 2 players) 9

BB checks, Hero bets 12.2 BB and is all-in

Is this a standard barreling spot or should I consider shutting down at some point?

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03-31-2017 , 10:06 AM

obbudsman

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I think it's standard

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04-05-2017 , 06:07 AM

Axif

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I would go smaller on the flop.

And I like your minraise preflop, given his 3b stat

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04-05-2017 , 06:32 AM

Bombardir

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Originally Posted by Axif

I would go smaller on the flop.

And I like your minraise preflop, given his 3b stat

Well, I raise this against any 3b stat and call a 3-bet-shove readless.

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04-05-2017 , 09:26 AM

Axif

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Shud be a limp readless.

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04-05-2017 , 11:09 AM

noxplode

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You call a 3bet shove readless at 20bb with QTs at 7s? How does that work in a big game sample chipEV-wise for you? I am curious.

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04-05-2017 , 12:23 PM

Bombardir

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Originally Posted by noxplode

You call a 3bet shove readless at 20bb with QTs at 7s? How does that work in a big game sample chipEV-wise for you? I am curious.

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According to my calcs made on my own limited database it's +16 chips better to call than fold against population 3-bet-shove after the 2x raise at 20bb. My database is on the small side so I cannot say how accurate the calc is. I believe this is from 2-3k tournaments only.

It's not that crazy. At least two video packs that I've seen have QTs as 2x-call, even at 20-25bb. One of these is against recs and the other is against regs.

I think limping is fine if you want to balance ranges against a wide ISO'er, but against readless recs it's a 2x-call for me.

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04-05-2017 , 01:31 PM

obbudsman

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I also minr/call QTs at 20BB vs population

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04-05-2017 , 02:12 PM

noxplode

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So, can you please tell me the hands with which your villains shoved your minr, if you went to showdown? I see most Ax(s), KT+, low Kxs KQ, QJs, JJ+, etc. in which you are behind 50% equity at best and dominated at worst. You are coinflipping against most low pairs and doing not so well against 88, 99, JJ. So at best you are breakeven if not below EV. I call a 3bet but not a shove, but thats just me. Unless its a maniac villain.

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04-05-2017 , 02:15 PM

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Yeah it's a correct call vs shove vs population in terms of chipEV for sure. You'll definitely have enough equity.

It's a fold if you're win-rate maxing though. One of the reasons limping is a bit better read-less (especially if you're win-rate maxing).

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04-05-2017 , 02:23 PM

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noxplode

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Is it good for chipEV due to fold equity (are you counting the red line as chipEV) ? Because if we get called I see a lot of better hands showing up. I can understand the GTO explanation, but in reallity, when I go to showdown I think its going to be a struggle at best, unless villains shoves T9s at 20BB (thus villain having a wider 3bs range, in which case i can call his shove with QTs), which is unlikely I think. I will try it out though, and see the results.

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04-05-2017 , 03:48 PM

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obbudsman

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Originally Posted by coffeeyay

Interesting. Is JTs a limp as well when win-rate maxing? If my estimates of the population's 3bet shoving range are somewhat correct, JTs has more equity vs a 3bet shove than QTs, and also more than KQs.

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04-06-2017 , 01:35 AM

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Bombardir

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Originally Posted by noxplode

Population jams mostly Axo, Axs and pocket pairs up to 99, although TT-JJ get 3-bet-jammed too sometimes. QQ+ is extremely rare. There's not that many hands that worse than QTs, but enough to make calling better than folding because QTs has close to 50% equity against the vast majority of the 3-bet-jamming range.

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Originally Posted by obbudsman

I also have JTs notably better than QTs, but worse than KQs, because I've got people in my database jamming a some hands like K4o, K9o, KTs, K9s, QTs. These are low frequency but enough to make KQs notably better than JTs.

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