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12-08-2014 , 05:51 PM
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river fold?

    Poker Stars, $6.82 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33237021

    BB: 340 (11.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): 660 (22 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 9
    Hero completes, BB checks

    Flop: (60) Q 8 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 30, BB raises to 60, Hero calls 30

    Turn: (180) 9 (2 players)
    BB bets 60, Hero calls 60

    River: (300) 3 (2 players)
    BB bets 190 and is all-in, Hero calls 190

    Spoiler:
    Results: 680 pot
    Final Board: Q 8 5 9 3
    BB showed Q 2 and won 680 (340 net)
    Hero showed 7 9 and lost (-340 net)



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    12-08-2014 , 11:45 PM
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    Again, don't limp pre, as played, x otf, also how many hands do you have on villain? and what about his pfr?
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    12-09-2014 , 01:25 AM
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    Why is limping out of the question?
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    12-09-2014 , 03:43 AM
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    Limping is good here, unless you have a read he iso jams lots than it's ok to os this.
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    12-09-2014 , 09:32 AM
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    super clear limp almost always. super clear flop bet too, checking would be pretty horrific here.

    Fine as played flop and turn, but clear fold on river.
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    12-09-2014 , 10:33 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hidequick
    Again, don't limp pre, as played, x otf, also how many hands do you have on villain? and what about his pfr?
    0/2

    Everything is fine till the river.
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    12-09-2014 , 03:12 PM
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    the check-minraise on the flop should usually tell you what you need to know
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    12-09-2014 , 11:14 PM
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    so, are we limping this hand at this stack depth almost always? i thought it was ok to mr but i see everyone agrees is better to limp so will correct that on my game, could someone please elaborate more on why is a clear limp? ty
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    12-12-2014 , 10:44 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hidequick
    so, are we limping this hand at this stack depth almost always? i thought it was ok to mr but i see everyone agrees is better to limp so will correct that on my game, could someone please elaborate more on why is a clear limp? ty
    I think it depends on the player type, I personally like to limp a suited gapper here and raise an offsuit gapper (if villain is folding to mr's) our equity is important, we have more equity with a suited gapper than an os gapper and we will realize our equity better with a limp. We advocate limping because in both spots we are folding to a jam mostly with 11bbs eff.
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    12-12-2014 , 10:46 PM
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    I should add that if you mr here and face a jam, you'll have really close odds to call with the suited gapper.
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    12-18-2014 , 03:14 AM
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    open shove easy
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    12-18-2014 , 12:36 PM
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    Dunno about the fold otr tbh. You have a nice hand to call with so folding would be the exploitative play.
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