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09-02-2021 , 03:03 PM
Hello,

so I've been playing with LucidGTO a lil bit and this hand looks quite interesting.





First of all we are supposed to 3 barrel very aggro, which is quite surprising to me. Even ott we are supposed to check just 33 % of our hands.

And then, OOP should defend quite a bunch of diamond hands, like: K9 (100 %), Q9 (100 %), Q7 (100 %), J9 (100%), T9 (100 %), 96 (100 %), 63 (85 %), 73 (100 %),

I was always thinking, that we should fold hands, that block villain's bluff combos. But here we are supposed to call with almost all suited diamonds. Is it because we don't have better hands to defend here? Or why is that? I am not really sure, that I understand.

73 and 63 are marginal calls, but all of other diamonds are making a lot of chips otr.

Thank you for your input in advance
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09-03-2021 , 02:53 AM
Well, rivered top pairs and good second pairs and obv two pairs are pretty strong here, so having diamond doesnt really matter.
We beat quite a lot of SB value hands with those, if you are folding those hands, are you calling only straights exclusively? In that case SB could triple barrel 100% and print money.
Id imagine 73 and 63 diamonds would fold quite a lot, but I guess still strong enough to call.
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09-03-2021 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Vvvvv
Hello,

And then, OOP should defend quite a bunch of diamond hands, like: K9 (100 %), Q9 (100 %), Q7 (100 %), J9 (100%), T9 (100 %), 96 (100 %), 63 (85 %), 73 (100 %),

73 and 63 are marginal calls, but all of other diamonds are making a lot of chips otr.

Thank you for your input in advance
I was going to say that 63dd and 73dd seem pretty marginal to me, but I'm not sure why you are surprised that we are calling rivered tp diamonds. We're 15bb effective with top pair and you posted the other side of the equilibrium where btn jams a whole bunch of 7x otr.

Not sure how 9x (or even good 7x) can be folding riv from bb in an equilibrium where sb is jamming worse for value and also bluffing sometimes. In real play maybe sb jams less thin and so some more of the 7x type hands become folds, but I find it hard to imagine folding 9x in this spot vs just about anyone.
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09-04-2021 , 05:34 AM
Calling/bluffing missed flushdraws have become a meme at this point. People point it out and can either say it's a good/bad call or a good/bad bluff

But here board is very dynamic, and lots of hands are close in equity on flop/turn:

1) OOP has lots of hands that want to x/r and see no more cards, folding out a bunch of equity. In particular his made hands (K6 on flop, 7x on turn).

2) IP has high regret betting with a lot of hands because of 1)

3) High diamonds give away the least equity in terms of free cards for IP, and are easy to play so tend to be the strongest part of check call range OOP (he also x/c 2 pair on flop sometimes). Also IP is barreling super aggressively due to high OOP x/r, so high diamond cards have v good capture factor with very clean outs when hit.

4) On river OOP has a high number of diamond floats which has to fold (100% freq ignoring preflop- JTdd, QTdd, K8dd). He also has some pair hands but these are mostly neutral in suits.

5) Because OOP diamond floats HAVE to fold, IP does not want to bluff diamonds (othersuits relatively neutral). Meaning pairs made with diamonds become v good unblocking bluffs. Again, SB is not bluffing diamonds.
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