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02-01-2012 , 06:25 PM

greenbast

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 758

Reads: player seems standard so far, seems to have a pretty good idea where he is at in the few hands we played, checking back showdown value in good spots. He may have made a few small bluffs in position on scary turns and tried to barrel me off on an A72 board with nothing when I had 7x.

Poker Stars, $57.67 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11765672

BB: 1,488 (74.4 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,512 (75.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

Flop: (80) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 60, BB calls 60

Turn: (200) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 140, BB calls 140

River: (480) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 340, BB raises to 988, Hero ??????

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Thoughts?

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02-01-2012 , 06:28 PM

Towel

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 17

Fold and then go load up a nice bowl of herb.

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02-02-2012 , 05:21 AM

push&rebuy

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I'd call. We lose to KJ and a flush only. KJ would probably be a raise on the flop and call on the river. Tend to believe he bets out a rivered flush instead of going for the c/r on such a connected board.

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02-02-2012 , 05:52 AM

tjobim

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 448

def not sure what to do, in game i would call, not felling great tho.

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02-02-2012 , 01:58 PM

Towel

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Originally Posted by push&rebuy

We lose to KJ and a flush only.

Basically the only hands that make sense here are KJ and backdoor flush. Very rarely do you see fish overplaying their 2 pair type of hand on these kind of boards. Also our river barrel sizing looks way too big to indicate that the C/R has any fold equity.

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Originally Posted by push&rebuy

Tend to believe he bets out a rivered flush instead of going for the c/r on such a connected board.

If you believe your villain does that then yes, it's a call, but I don't think it's the case.

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02-02-2012 , 06:30 PM

FuzzyBowls

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 259

OP- What range of hands were you expecting villain to call the 340 river bet with?

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02-03-2012 , 02:26 AM

FuzzyBowls

journeyman

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I think we are very rarely getting called here by worse hands. I would bet the river smaller something like 220 to allow for some more perceived fold equity hoping to entice villain into shoving.

As played it sucks big time but we have to call. I think there are enough times where he has Jx and is trying to get you off the straight to justify a call. Plus the odd crazy bluff or 2!

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02-03-2012 , 03:24 AM

dhcg86

banned

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 12,410

650 to win 2300 or something.

So you have to be right like 1/6 or something times. Id call and not really overthink it

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02-03-2012 , 04:09 AM

mela

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Well, thing is it's gonna be a chop in some cases and we don't win 2300.

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02-03-2012 , 10:23 AM

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braminc

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betsizing too small on flop, gonna get called/get it in with many worse hands on this flop.

river sizing too big. What's in his range that you're getting value from? Tx?9x? 2pair? This sizing is too big to allow much to call.

Fold river as played

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02-03-2012 , 11:17 PM

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FuzzyBowls

journeyman

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So what was the final result?

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02-04-2012 , 06:06 AM

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mjwhit

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,533

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Originally Posted by FuzzyBowls

So what was the final result?

Hero made a correct river fold.

River bet should be smaller IMO, maybe 210 or so. Unless he is a known reg I dont think we should be worried about most Villains turning showdown value into bluff and check raising worse hands.

Last edited by mjwhit; 02-04-2012 at 06:11 AM.

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