Villain was 3betting light, and my question is, what do we do postflop when we miss (very general question, not only this flop!), Because I have the feeling that if we fold to often that we're very exploitable.

so what if we:
1) flop overcards on a board like this
2) flop overcards on a very dry low board
3) flop some overcards with some kind of weak draw on a semi-drawy board

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
($1,450)
Hero ($1,550)

Dealt to Hero K Q

Hero raises to $60, raises to $165, Hero calls $105

FLOP ($330) 2 T 8

bets $180, Hero calls $180

TURN ($690) 2 T 8 T

[color=red]bets $240

be a man and 4bet it. you could either shove, or make it like 400. both options are good, you would be amazed at how often they call. yesterday my 4bet shoves were called by 67s, 84s and 47s (two of them hit flushs ) when determining 4bet sizing, look at your HUD stats for villain. If he is playing an absurd ammount of hands IP and OOP, and flatting most 3bets then its safe to assume villain will call a big 4bet. If he isnt calling so much, then 4bet just a tiny bit smaller.

1) tbh I would probably fold this flop if I flat this hand pre. Its really wet and we have NO IDEA how we stand. Ideally this flop should hit villains 3bet range.

I cant answer 2 & 3 because they are too generic, but I have a question for you. What is villains barrelling tendencies. how does knowing this info affect your play?

4betting KQo will never be as good as flatting pre and play some pokers after the flop.

Think about what your 4bet does to his ranges how good we actually perform against a wide 3 betting range that is likely to include a lot of stuff we dominate. Of course there will be some villains who happily spazz with 47s, but against the average villain you are not likely to gain anything by 4 betting imo.

The answer to 1) - 3) is obv. "it depends". You can't really cut corner here. Just post hands.

In the specific hand you can do a lot of stuff. I don't fold. Calling and raising seem both viable with good equity.

I like the 4bet more then the 4betshove, because then I give him a chance to spazz out and 5betshove me. But what if villain calls the 4bet, and openshoves a flop I miss?

to answer your question: I don't know anymore what barrelling tendencies he had, but the more he barrels, the more I like just folding the flop.

And what if we have a villain that is barrelling like ****, would it be better to call his 3bet in stead of 4betting because we can get a lot of value out of him if we hit the flop? or will 4betting still be better? (EDIT: I think 4betting will be better because if we have a villain that is 3betting light and barrelling like ****, then he's kinda maniakky, so I can probably get it in very profitable preflop.)

and what is we had QJo, would you 4bet that as well? and what about AT?

What exactly do you mean by 3-betting light? Have you the 3bet% for us over a certain sample? Have you seen hands at showdown after he 3-bet?

Just asking to get a feel for your opponent

I'm looking for a general answe in situations ike this vs differrent villains, so let's say I've seen him 3betting a weak hand and he had been 3betting one third of the time untill now (small sample)

1-3 Easy call on all boards w/ KQ. However, folding KQ on board 1 is not exploitable, but it is optimal to call vs the majority of c-betting ranges, especially vs someone that 3-bets 30%+.

ok, with 30% 3-bettor I like raised by jews post a lot

To your question:

I'm more inclined to 4bet KQ and AT (probably shoving ) than QJ, in KQ and AT we're doing pretty decent pre vs a maniac range, and with QJ we don't, being dominated more than with the other hands. With QJ we can be comfortable playing it postflop, so i guess it's a good hand to flat with.

pretty sure this has never happened. ever.

also tate is a gambler, he's not in for the profit but the "rush" how he likes to call it. don't listen to him.

haha yea im a bit of a degen at times but srsly, if someone is 3betting 33%, then chances are very good that they will call a 4bet super wide. its very very rare that ppl spazz out and 5bet ship light, but it definitely does happen. fish tilt just as much as regs do.

Merge No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15.00/t30.00 Blinds - 2 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN/SB): t1481.00 49.37 BBs
BB: t1519.00 50.63 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with T A
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t150, Hero raises to t300, BB raises to t1519, Hero calls t1181 all in

Flop: (t2962) A 8 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2962) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2962) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2962
Hero shows T A
BB shows 7 8
BB wins t2962.00


this hand happened like an hour ago. kinda proves my point

edit: and yea id rather flat QJo, it doesnt have as many hands dominated as KQ does.

4-bet/get it in with KQo 75bbs deep? i don love it

I like it vs the right villain, but not vs decent regs.

the main point is that how light villain is 5-bet/shoving? have u ever 4-bet/folded against him? any 4-bet 5-bet preflop AI showdown?

if villain is a tilt aggro monkey, 4-bet/calling it off with QKo is probably fine. (the exact bottom of ur 4-bet/gii range)