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 PS regsp - 3 hands vs reg  PS regsp - 3 hands vs reg

11-30-2011 , 06:08 PM
Villain seemed to have some understanding of the game, and I managed to **** up every interesting hand. Please comment on below 3 hands.
No showdowns before this hand.

Hand 9
Stats so far:


    SB: 1,350 (67.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 1,650 (82.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K 9
    SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

    Flop: (80) J T 9
    Hero checks, SB bets 60, Hero raises to 180, SB calls 120

    Turn: (440) 2
    Hero bets 230, SB calls 230

    River: (900) 2
    Hero checks, SB bets 900 and is all-in, Hero???

    His rivershove just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me here...

    Hand 11
    Stats so far:


      SB: 1,750 (87.5 bb)
      Hero (BB): 1,250 (62.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 9
      SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

      Flop: (80) 4 8 6
      Hero checks, SB checks

      Turn: (80) 7
      Hero bets 60, SB calls 60

      River: (200) 2
      Hero bets 100, SB raises to 300, Hero ???


      Hand 18
      Stats so far:


        BB: 2,090 (104.5 bb)
        Hero (SB): 910 (45.5 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 8
        Hero raises to 50, BB calls 30

        Flop: (100) T 8 7
        BB checks, Hero bets 60, BB calls 60

        Turn: (220) T
        BB checks, Hero checks

        River: (220) Q
        BB bets 300, Hero ???


        As he showed quite some hands in stead of mucking them, I know all three of above starting hands for villain. So we could make this a little game, just post which of above riverbets you would fold or call (as played, and assuming fold or call are the two only options), and the person who makes the most or loses the least chips, will be the winner of this topic.

        But please comment on the rest of the hand(s) as well, as my mistakes are surely before the river already.
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        11-30-2011 , 07:41 PM
        1) fold
        2) fold
        3) fold

        Will edit this message later.
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        11-30-2011 , 08:03 PM
        Just want participate in game : D
        1) call
        2) fold
        3) fold
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        11-30-2011 , 08:37 PM
        (disclaimer: I'm a noob.)

        Having said that:
        1. call
        2. fold
        3. call

        Discussion:

        Hand #1:

        You should definitely take aggressive action on the flop (check/raise or even lead into villain); this aggressive action is for value, with the additional benefits of protection and to get some info on villain's hand. However, the raise seems to me to be much too small. You have a ton of equity (14 likely outs even if you're behind), so your hand is strong enough to make as big a raise as you'd want. Therefore, we just need to decide which raise size serves our purpose best. Our made hand is not too strong (pair of nines), and we are out of position, so we wouldn't mind ending the hand now. Our hand often loses a lot of equity going into the turn (when we don't improve), board is very wet, and opponent will often stay in even with Qx and 8x. From all of these factors, I'd tend to make a pot-sized re-raise to 260, or even an over-raise to 300, and to be happy if he folds. If he calls, I would make a half-pot bet on the turn (for value, charging 8x and Qx for drawing, and also as a blocking bet against Jx). On the river, I would check. If he bets the river, I'd have a hard decision, since it's hard to believe he's going for value without at least top pair strong kicker given the betting so far, but I think it's much less of a hard decision than what you encountered in this hand.

        As hand #1 was played, what happened is that on the turn his range is still very wide (Qx,Jx,Tx,8x and some draws). He'll call the half-pot turn bet with the same wide range. And then he puts you in an awkward spot on the river. As it is, I don't see what he'd be value-shoving here. He's trying to rep a big hand, but unless he has a deuce in his hand, I don't see what hand he would flat-call on the turn, but then shove on the river. It just doesn't make sense, unless he has a deuce (say T2,J2,Q2,A2). Thus, I'd call, and expect to see a missed draw more than half the time, and the remainder of the time I'd expect to see a deuce, or hands like JQ or JK.

        Hand #2:

        On the flop, with the way I play, I'd lead out. The flop is very wet, so he'll call you with a wide variety of hands. You have a strong hand right now, which you'd want to get value from now since it's so vulnerable. And the way I play is to lead out with draws as well, so this is a good opportunity to balance those by leading with a strong hand.

        As played, you naturally bet on the turn and get called. on the river, you put in a value bet with top pair, and get raised. At this point, you don't beat much. His bet is small, and I don't think he's trying too hard to get you to fold. His play is consistent with a turned straight, and with a rivered flush. In fact, I'm pretty sure he has 5x here. I don't hate calling, since he's definitely bluffing some of the time, but folding seems better.

        IMO you played this well, except I'd lead out on the flop, which might have ended this hand earlier saving you some hard decisions, or at least given you more information (and more value, had the turn card been safer)

        Hand #3:

        Similarly to hand #1, I'd bet bigger on the flop, pot sized or so. The board is very wet, so you'd get value from a wide range. You have a ton of equity. And you want to get some info on opponents hand. On wet flops, I generally cbet less often, and make bigger cbets when I do cbet, so I'd make a pot-sized bet here even when I'm cbetting with air.

        This hand is very similar to hand #1 in that his line just doesn't make sense for me: what hand would he bomb the river with, but not raise the flop or bet the turn? If he has Tx, then presumably he's raise the flop with such a wet board. If he has Qx, he wouldn't bet this large on the river. So the only legit hand he's repping is a flush. And even a flush I'd expect him to often bet on the turn. So his range is some flushes, some weirdly-played Tx and Qx, and lots and lots of bluffs. So I'd call this.
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        12-01-2011 , 03:13 AM
        1) flip a coin, he isn't repping much since we have 9s we block a lot of the hands he plays that way.
        2) fold
        3) heavily dependant on how he treats bets.
        Has he vbet big before or is it standard 1/2 all the way.
        mostly fold.
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        12-01-2011 , 03:23 AM
        pretty fold x3 imo
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        12-01-2011 , 06:30 AM
        cbet/fold that turn in hand 3..
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        12-01-2011 , 06:56 AM
        imo you played all 3 turns wrong
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        12-01-2011 , 08:22 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by ohly
        imo you played all 3 turns wrong
        can you tell me why he played wrong in the second hand ?
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        12-01-2011 , 10:58 AM
        Three folds

        I wouldn't checkraise the first hand, because you only fold out better hands, you have enough showdownvalue, and only if you hit the flush, you should start build a big pot. as played i'd check/call the turn. And fold the river as played as well.


        Quote:
        Originally Posted by cippo93
        can you tell me why he played wrong in the second hand ?

        there is no way he can get 2 streets of value from a worse hand on this 4-straight board. check turn and Vbet river.


        and for the contest for this topic I take a gamble at fold, fold, call
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        12-01-2011 , 12:50 PM
        1. Call
        2. Call
        3. Damn call.

        Last edited by Burulbash; 12-01-2011 at 12:52 PM. Reason: Changed 2nd
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        12-01-2011 , 06:41 PM
        Need to get some sleep. Will anounce winner tomorrow.
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        12-01-2011 , 07:01 PM
        fu
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        12-01-2011 , 08:51 PM
        Anyone think we can turn our hand into a bluff & jam the river in hand 1?

        We most likely fold out Tx as well as some weak Jx. I think a mid Jx would have troulble calling a CR on such a scary flop, followed by turn/river brls?

        Does villain fold enough of his range otr to make this an option?
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        12-01-2011 , 09:11 PM
        3 folds

        2) hate the vbet otr, prolly check turn
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        12-02-2011 , 05:34 AM
        Scoreboard:
        1) eldodo42 +2320 for max score and good argumentation
        2) Burulbash +2120
        3) none888 +1800
        4) filth +900
        5) collinstation +520

        Zero points for Wesdone, dhcg86 and pkratitsbest

        Hands (spoilered for those who want to reflect about villains range before peeking)
        Spoiler:
        Q5 (missed SD & FD)
        T9 (turned nutstraight)
        A4 (pure air)
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        12-02-2011 , 08:06 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by eldodo42
        (disclaimer: I'm a noob.)

        His play is consistent with a turned straight.
        Nice read, I didn't even think about straight on turn. TS checked flop because of his 100% cbet I think, but te board is so heavy. Bet flop, bet turn makes the hand more clear.
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        12-02-2011 , 08:29 AM
        1) call

        2) fold

        3) fold

        in hand 1 your turnbetsizing is crap imo
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