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Is the list of cartel members like a top secret information? To me it seems strange, at least it has to be put on the 1st page and updated occasionally. It's what all this thread is about, and there is not a single list anywhere. Doesn't it seem strange to you? You started to make it more transparent, so don't stop half the way.

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05-18-2014 , 11:24 AM

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captain292

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 19

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Originally Posted by LoveOnlyLove

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05-18-2014 , 11:39 AM

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Bluenowhere

adept

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,146

No, it's pretty much all on the public voting we had so I don't think there's any secrecy effort (and there never has been either). With these new entrance criteria we expect some movement to happen though so it may be easier just to wait a week or so before putting a full list here

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05-18-2014 , 12:04 PM

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LoveOnlyLove

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7

Ok, let's wait, but still when it's more or less set it has to be in this thread, it just seems very logical, the very first thing to do.

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05-18-2014 , 12:24 PM

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khalifa

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 506

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Originally Posted by Bluenowhere

@ khalifa:

We don't need graphs.

We get a player report for each player the challenger has played form the division in their sample (this can give ev and actual chips won). We publish the whole list to the rest of the division and ask people to try and verify the results against them, games, ev and actual.

I see. I thought you would only randomly pick a few players the challenger played against and let them verify their results vs him.

But it doesn't matter if you use graphs or reports in pt4, they should be identical, given the same filters.

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05-18-2014 , 01:52 PM

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DuTchMen

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 640

Very nice to see things are changing for the better.

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05-18-2014 , 02:37 PM

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IQrobot

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 609

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Originally Posted by Ypsi

no, you have no chance to be in, dont know anything about "cartels"

What has he done?

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05-18-2014 , 02:57 PM

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Irregular

adept

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 853

played him?

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05-18-2014 , 03:22 PM

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307th

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 215

I'm pretty sure that ypsik was just being tongue-in-cheek since winer76 was talking about getting into "cartels" and they're called divisions now. He should still be able to get into the DIVISIONS, but not the cartels since those don't exist anymore.

Anyway I think these changes are really good, and it seems like a good time to switch to calling them divisions now that they've implemented much more fair rules. There's still room for talking about whether there are even better ways of handling the divisions, e.g. i think Hester's system would be best long-term, but these new rules are definitely much more fair to lower stakes regs looking to move up.

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05-18-2014 , 03:24 PM

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Mecastyles

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,657

what about 200-1000s?

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05-18-2014 , 04:53 PM

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Spl0dg3

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 268

200=1ks have made no announcement of any changes at this time.

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05-18-2014 , 05:52 PM

#87

Irregular

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 853

Do you mean this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...BLUFYblE#gid=0

If yes, this has been online for 2 months, not sure how you missed it

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05-19-2014 , 07:30 AM

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pies01

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 570

Irregular, thanks for posting the link.

Mainly as a result of some of the concerns raised regarding pt4 anomalies that may occur, we are removing the 2,300 criteria referred to on the first page.

Note that this is a one-off change and there will be no further review on the entry criteria for the foreseeable future.

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05-19-2014 , 09:37 AM

#89

laziale87

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 43

I'd like to check my results in HM against the division. How can I do it?

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05-19-2014 , 12:03 PM

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watergun7

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,796

Create an alias.

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05-19-2014 , 03:44 PM

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laziale87

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 43

The actual list of members would be useful then.

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05-19-2014 , 03:46 PM

#92

MDG0RD0N

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 664

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Originally Posted by pies01

Mainly as a result of some of the concerns raised regarding pt4 anomalies that may occur, we are removing the 2,300 criteria referred to on the first page.

What were the concerns?

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05-19-2014 , 05:29 PM

#93

Ypsi

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 109

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Originally Posted by laziale87

The actual list of members would be useful then.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...BLUFYblE#gid=0

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05-20-2014 , 05:10 AM

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bjela

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 212

It would be useful if that spreadsheet contained usernames of the guys who were once in the cartel and then left.

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05-20-2014 , 06:06 AM

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LapsangSouchong

stranger

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 2

As I realized games vs members of 100's division should be counted in this challenge too. So could anyone post the actual list of 100's?

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05-20-2014 , 10:25 AM

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Polarized Bear

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 506

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Originally Posted by LapsangSouchong

As I realized games vs members of 100's division should be counted in this challenge too. So could anyone post the actual list of 100's?

Why would it be counted? If you wanna get into the 100s div, you need games vs those guys at 100s limit. If you wanna get into the 60s div, you need games vs 60s members at 60$ limit

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05-20-2014 , 11:53 AM

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LapsangSouchong

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 2

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Originally Posted by Polarized Bear

Why would it be counted? If you wanna get into the 100s div, you need games vs those guys at 100s limit. If you wanna get into the 60s div, you need games vs 60s members at 60$ limit

It seems pretty logical that if guy plays 60's without sitting by other guys - he is a member of division (not depending play he in higher divisions or not). Also if we proceed from guys who played 100's more skilled, its more difficult for applicants to get it.

Its very inconvient to filter player: play he 100/200 or not. In this case everyone should firstly manually mark all player and wait only 60's members.

But division's decision is division's decision. No problem if it wouldnt counted.

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05-20-2014 , 02:05 PM

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Polarized Bear

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 506

I'm not a leader, so not sure about it, but I think that's the way it is, although I'll adress your question to the leaders

Asked them: only games vs 60s members count when you're trying to get into 60s division

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05-20-2014 , 03:18 PM

#99

ticenl

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 150

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Originally Posted by pies01

in pt4 player report, then filters, "edit existing expression filters", then this....

tourney_hand_player_statistics.id_player in (SELECT p.id_player from player p

where upper(p.player_name) in

('player1', 'player2' ))

Do you have an easy solution for filtering a 'all players' report vs only players we have more than say 50 games against? Using edit exisiting expression filters cnt_tournaments > 50 or (as a rough estimate) say using #Hands#>150 both don't seem to achieve what I want to do here?

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05-21-2014 , 08:58 AM

#100

AggroSquid

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 321

Apologies for the clarification, but all this chopping and changing is confusing me slightly. so firstly, this "division" is basically a group of players who will not play each other but sit everybody else? is that correct?

Secondly, to become part of this group I need to produce an Ev ROI at the $60s vs the current group better than the numbers below:

3200 games = -1.00% ev
4800 games = -1.28% ev
6400 games = -1.43% ev
8000 games = -1.55% ev

Sorry for the clarification, much appreciate the effort involved.

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