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08-11-2011 , 04:15 AM

Nederlander

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Uknown with a not that high openings frequency. (Probably 40-50% over small sample)

The only Tx we beat is probably T9 and T6s, kind of nasty spot imo where I rarely have the best hand imo.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $58.74 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10239122

Hero (BB): 480 (24 bb)
SB: 520 (26 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

Flop: (80) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets 50, SB calls 50

Turn: (180) T

(2 players)
Hero bets 120, SB raises to 240, Hero ???

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08-11-2011 , 04:39 AM

IcarusJam

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Why are we leading the flop?

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08-11-2011 , 08:48 AM

coffeeyay

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Originally Posted by IcarusJam

Why are we leading the flop?

+1

I really like c/r this flop--since he has a tighter opening range it's unlikely he has hit this board and 2 overs w/ a gutshot is a great bluffing hand.

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08-11-2011 , 09:03 AM

Polycarpus

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We don't lead this flop readless --> You must have some reads on his postflop --> We could use those reads to determine what to do on the turn

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08-11-2011 , 09:55 AM

crazyriver

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Yep... Probably it's just villain's hand and Nederlander wants us to assign his range in this play. Same as folding last hh. Isn't it so? :P

You tricky you

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08-11-2011 , 10:19 AM

Berndsen12

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lead is fine, gotta stack turn unhappy. donk>c/c>c/r @ flop

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08-11-2011 , 10:19 AM

Abraham Setrakian

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call turn and donk/cf/cc/cr river depending on what hits

oops, didn't see it's a ST, u really should've cr flop e push turn. as played, can't see much of a fold when u have invested half your stack already - even though I do agree we are sometimes behind.

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08-11-2011 , 10:28 AM

Nederlander

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Ok, kind of having some problems with those obv nutsy hands/ranges. I jammed here he had AT.

I dont want to c/r flop since I dont love my equity vs a jam + he can check behind a ton of Kx/Ax.

Butttt I also don't know what to do vs a raise vs my lead, wwd if he would have raised flop to *115 and *150?

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08-11-2011 , 10:40 AM

ohly

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pretty much a maths question no? estimate his cbetting frequency, his stackoff range, your equity against a stackoff range and you have your EV of c/r. it is kind of lengthy, but i feel like against someone who cbets a decent amount you can c/r profitably, given he probably stacks off with T9 which gives you a great equity boost when called.

also him checking back Ax is probably not the end of the world as you have tons of ways to improve or take it away from him on later streets.

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08-11-2011 , 03:31 PM

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Nederlander

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Hm yeah ive got to agree with that, but still leading seems better (i could def be wrong)

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08-12-2011 , 10:25 PM

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mrbambocha

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but i feel like against someone who cbets a decent amount you can c/r profitably, given he probably stacks off with T9 which gives you a great equity boost when called.

also him checking back Ax is probably not the end of the world as you have tons of ways to improve or take it away from him on later streets.

If he cbets these low flops then go for a cr. If he checks behind on them then DB.
As played I would fold to the minR of death. Hate that minR.
I have no idea how to do the math part for jaming, dont think we can ever call here and fold R. Can somebody show how to do the math?

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08-14-2011 , 10:17 PM

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mrbambocha

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bump

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08-15-2011 , 01:36 AM

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yaqh

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guess villain's ranges. find how many chips u have on average if u jam. find how many u have if u fold. see which is bigger.

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08-15-2011 , 07:45 AM

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Sol Reader

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Call reval.

I like c/r flop a bit more but whatever.

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