As title says, six hands into the match. He has generally been pretty agressive with his value hands, but no real reads. First 3! of the match.

hand1: called 2 barrels with ace high, checked river
2: c/r a AQ2r flop
3: vbet a king... seems a litle bit to the tight side Pf. knows how to value bet i guess.
4: c/f an AQ8tt board
5: checked down a KT5K6 board with Q3o.




My question is, can we ever fold here? his raise screamed 'overpair' to me but i couldnt find a reason why, and decided the rational thing to do was to stack off here. How bad is this? and what is the weakest hand you are 3! shoving here?

4bet very big or ship pre.

You are slightly ahead or a big underdog, don't think it is OK to take the action.

so you are always stacking off PF against a TAGish opponent with 88?

or do you mean 4bet/fold pre? thinking 4! to ~300 and folding to a ship is good here.

yeah, probably. i guess his calling range here is mostly overpairs after 3! PF, not really getting value from any AJ type hands that 3! PF.

WTF is it w/ randoms min3betting so strong these days?

I think 4bet/call off with 88 is fine preflop. Post you're unlucky to be against the top of his 3bet range. I don't fold since he's basically representing A2 here and can easily have Ax or random flush draws.

edit: I sometimes flat pre too and stack off a lot readless post, but by 4-betting you're charging his overcards/random A and K's for 3Betting and you're in position so can assess postflop if he flats you're 4bet.

i seriously want to stop being condescending and flame people who make really bad posts, so i will just ask you a question regarding the quote:

¿why?

3bet range isn't necessarily tight but definitely a mistake to 4bet call off 70bb deep. How wide do you think his 5 bet shoving range is that 88 is profitable?? Giving a generous 5bet value range of AQs+,AKo, 99s+ , we are 35.9%. He needs to have a pretty frequent 5bet bluff% for it to be close to it being fine to 4bet call off.

I definitely prefer to 4bet here to 230 or so, to take the lead in the hand which makes post-flop much easier and also narrows our opponent hand range down significantly so we can make our decisions easier especially in position.

As played I'm not sure opponent will have many bluffs after 3betting pre and check raising the flop. I think it's a pretty standard fold.

I think if I had to pick a spot to fold an overpair on the flop this is waaaaaaay up there on the list of said spots:

1) Villain's smallish 3b preflop. It's not a sign that he HAS to have a monster, but it's really not a large 3b, which actually scares me more than the 3b itself. As for the merits of flatting vs. 4-bet/calling I think this early might be a bit loose. And I honestly just don't like 4b/folding pre, especially since we do have position in this hand. Probably just flatting here tbh

2) That's really the type of flop where a lot of hands can possibly hit, 3 to a straight in a row, two hearts, blah blah and vs. your opponent's c/r range you're HOPING for A5. So I mean even if we are good here against villain's range were not in the best ever shape; we're still behind JThh and not that far ahead of A6, for instance.

Thing that sucks is that a lot of turns are pretty meh for us but that's what the whole point of position is in the first place. Betting is fine, but I think I can actually find a fold when you combine the preflop action, the flop c/r, and that board texture.

Could you be more specific regarding what you are '¿why?'ing?
I think you are asking why I think 4!/F pre is a good idea.
I think he is probably shipping {99+ AK} so 4!/F allows us to play the hand easier. If he ships, we have ****ty eq against his range and can easily fold. He is probably flatting the bottom part of his 3! range, eg AJ KQ type stuff, and we can bet a lot of boards.

Why is this a really bad post?

edit: then again, reading insane steves post, flatting sounds like a much better option.

Insane steve, are you folding when he CR this flop though? what line do you take post?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 60 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1500)
Hero (BB) (t1500)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8
SB bets t40, Hero raises to t1500 (All-In), SB calls t1460 (All-In)

Flop: (t3000) 7, J, 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3000) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3000) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t3000

Results:
SB had 3, 3 (one pair, threes).
Hero had 8, 8 (flush, Jack high).
Outcome: Hero won t3000

just ship it pre, for times like that.

Villan has already shown us that he is reasonably competent though. ie. I guess I havent said this but he had 'reg' traits like good betsizing, etc. and didnt seem spewy at all. I get doing this against a fish/callingstation, but i really dont think this is good here. especially when min3!. didnt seem like the type of player to call a 4! shove with anything we beat.

the way you want to play the hand (4bet and fold to a shove), what is the difference to having 85o? do you think he just flats the 4bet alot? and even if he does, do you like your life with 2 psb left on the flop? also your getting it in range is reaally too tight, you cannot assume a worst case scenario but leave room for some lighter getting it in hands and some spazz, so i am not convinced that you don't get the 40% equity you need.

thanks for elaborating so you are advocating a 4betshove over his tinyraise here? im pretty new to shortstacked HU, whats the minimum you would 4bet shove here PF? eg 66ish?

Players are getting it in way way wider than 99+aqs+ako+ in a $7 husng. Sth like 77+ ats+ ajo+ kqs plus some crazy random spazzes. 240/get it in pre