57 $ HUSNG Just for fun since my last post was borrriinngg!!!! - Heads Up SNG and Spin and Gos -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy No Limit Tournaments Heads Up SNG and Spin and Gos

57 $ HUSNG Just for fun since my last post was borrriinngg!!!!

Post Reply Subscribe

...

03-10-2011 , 05:05 AM

magnanimity

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 553

K so this is villians first game on the site. He's no reg that finally popped some of his poker star winnings onto FT. Bottom line is he sukz nutz. Soooo relevant reads :

He overplays his strong hands and he's a station. How's my driving? Please call 1800 Donks-R-FUN

Full Tilt, $55 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8158232

BB: 1,395 (34.9 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,605 (40.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

Hero raises to 120, BB calls 80

Flop: (240) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 140, BB calls 140

Turn: (520) Q

(2 players)
BB bets 140, Hero calls 140

River: (800) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 320, BB raises to 995 and is all-in, Hero calls 675

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

Quote

03-10-2011 , 07:23 AM

chocoloco

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 135

i think i would click it back/fold OTT and bet small on some rivers if called. as played i fold to c/r. even the dumbest donks in da universe dont ch/c, lead, ch/r that often with air. might be super nitty (which i am definitely far away from in general) but when they take those super-turbo-wtf lines its very often because they dunno how to extract value in a proper way.

Quote

03-10-2011 , 08:01 AM

FocusIRE

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 234

call river as played

Quote

03-10-2011 , 12:45 PM

karamazonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,626

you can't fold, I think you show up with the best hand here way more often than not--wp imo

Quote

03-10-2011 , 04:15 PM

Punch Dancer

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,694

raise/call turn

Quote

03-10-2011 , 04:22 PM

Lebo44

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 136

I think I check back the river.

Quote

03-10-2011 , 05:43 PM

jb514

veteran

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,837

I don't really know why you wouldn't check back the river

Quote

03-10-2011 , 05:45 PM

Barbra Streisand

banned

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,741

easy check back river

Quote

03-10-2011 , 06:21 PM

magnanimity

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 553

I think its a bet because he pretty much never takes this line w Qx, and he is snap calling w any a 3 4, and some Ax.

Quote

03-10-2011 , 06:26 PM

#10

magnanimity

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 553

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punch Dancer

raise/call turn

This is interesting. We get way more value out of his draws and he's still not folding all his pairs

Quote

03-10-2011 , 06:36 PM

#11

ohly

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,696

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punch Dancer

raise/call turn

this...

though after river action it seems wrong.

Quote

03-10-2011 , 08:53 PM

#12

Sol Reader

The Situation

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,380

CIB/stack off turn. Bet smaller on river if you want to induce.

Quote

03-11-2011 , 04:36 PM

#13

OMGSwineFlu

centurion

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 169

Are we weighing villain's lead on turn as more 3pair or 4 pair hands or draws?

I'm think it represents more paired hands (bet for protection) since the Q pairing will get hero to check back his Ax or other combos which maybe have 4-8 additional outs to villains hand and villain doesn't want to give away equity.

NH

*New to HU SNG so rape my logic if incorrect, just trying to learn

Quote

03-11-2011 , 04:39 PM

#14

Faulkner

enthusiast

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 63

check on river i agree...

what did he end up having?

Quote

03-11-2011 , 04:39 PM

#15

Happyz

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 445

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnanimity

I think its a bet because he pretty much never takes this line w Qx, and he is snap calling w any a 3 4, and some Ax.

beside the fact you seem to have made up your mind about this hand.

If he snapcall with any of thoose hands i'd fold to the raise

Quote

03-11-2011 , 05:29 PM

#16

Tamas6

See my staking thread

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,854

how can raising the turn ever be better than flatting

Quote

03-11-2011 , 05:42 PM

#17

Sol Reader

The Situation

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,380

Induce, and value. Have a wider bluff range.

Quote

03-11-2011 , 06:01 PM

#18

Punch Dancer

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,694

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamas6

how can raising the turn ever be better than flatting

he's got 4x, 3x and draws about 20x's as often as he has better IME, and he's not folding it very often given reads in the OP.

I'm also gonna check most rivers, so alot of times if he flats better we lose the same amount if he flats and slow chk's river

Last edited by Punch Dancer; 03-11-2011 at 06:10 PM.

Quote

03-11-2011 , 10:06 PM

#19

Tamas6

See my staking thread

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,854

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punch Dancer

you assuming he calls 100% pre or something? board is super dry i really dont see why u want to raise. if he wants to value town himself with 4x then let him. he can also have a bunch of 4x and def be inducing with a Q.

Quote

03-11-2011 , 10:15 PM

#20

Doggg

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,121

Everyone is saying to check back river, but if I or you were bb here, we would be checking off river with 4x, 3x, and betting all qx tx, obv, so... once villian checks the river, doesn't it make it correct to bet for value here?

Quote

03-11-2011 , 10:42 PM

#21

hoopla65

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 220

We are forgetting that the turn might be a spew bluff that may bet again on river so we should call.

Also, what draws?

Quote

03-11-2011 , 10:54 PM

#22

Doggg

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,121

Honestly, I think I might revise my opinion a bit. Didn't see reads that villian is a huge fish. One thing that you can count on with huge fish is that they love to check off the nuts on the river. I guess a check might be ok, actually, but still not hating a bet. And honestly, though it sux, you really aren't good here that much once a fishy villian shoves like this.

Quote

03-11-2011 , 11:15 PM

#23

jackoneill

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,299

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggg

Only if BB was actually you or me - can you ever be sure that random fish doesn't think that trapping is cool, especially after he leads this turn so weirdly small ?

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...