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02-20-2011 , 02:11 PM

crush

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 679

He open one time before I folded, I open also and he ch/folded on K72cc

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1560)
Hero (BB) (t1440)

Hero's M: 32.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

, K

SB bets t75, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t180) 5

, K

, 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (t180) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets t100, SB raises t385

Total pot: t380

Are u folding here?
If he bluff here, I think he will pretty rarely bluff riv, but I don't know, maybe we should fold here w/o reads?

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02-20-2011 , 02:13 PM

Air-Bear

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,983

His line makes no sense for a bluff. Only 5x makes sense so I fold.

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02-20-2011 , 02:34 PM

Quartilho

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 222

Fold, bigger K or a 5.

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02-20-2011 , 02:51 PM

rollinas

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 591

i dont think you need to bet/fold this turn. i would check/call turn and check/call most rivers, because: 1. theres not many hands to get value from, maybe Ax will call one bet and fold to a bet on the river. 2. when ur checking twice he will stab this turn with a ton of hands so you'll get to keep his bluff in his range. so easier decisions for you + more room for him to mess up = $$$ .

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02-20-2011 , 03:14 PM

Quartilho

journeyman

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Originally Posted by rollinas

+1, i also prefer c/c to induce, but he bet the turn on this spot, so i'm folding here

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02-20-2011 , 03:58 PM

Air-Bear

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,983

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Originally Posted by rollinas

This is not the type of board people will check behind air on, they'll mostly check back showdownpotential. So his range is Ax/5x and maybe 8x and Qx and very little air. I'm always betting the turn.

If however villain would be the type to check behind air on this flop, it's doubtful he'll bet the turn with it now anyway.

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02-21-2011 , 05:35 AM

rollinas

grinder

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Originally Posted by Air-Bear

if that is his range, why are you betting?

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02-21-2011 , 07:24 AM

Clever_Efreet

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 505

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Originally Posted by rollinas

that's some serious RO'ing. It's very standard and ok to lead Kx here, you would be leading 5x (and everything else) too majority of the time.

It's very simple, u need to put ur bets down when u hit something OOP. If folding is the prob, I seriously hope u bluff like 90% of the time here or something.

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02-21-2011 , 07:36 AM

ohly

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,696

without history i think noone will ever take this line as a bluff. 5x makes sense here, as do other slowplayed hands like sets and better Kx hands. i don't think you can do anything wrong by folding.

if you hadn't shown the results, i think maybe less people would have agreed to check the turn again. not that checking would be a big mistake or anything, but imo there is enough value in betting because he will check back air on this flop like never, so you get value from Ax,8x and pp's alot.

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02-21-2011 , 09:09 AM

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alexDJI

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without history i think noone will ever take this line as a bluff. 5x makes sense here, as do other slowplayed hands like sets and better Kx hands.

Isn't this a bit contradictory?

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02-21-2011 , 09:12 AM

#11

rollinas

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i am not being results oriented im just saying that the board is super dry, and theres not many value hand he can chk back and call 2 streets while on the other hand he can stab 2 streets with air so that way we get more money. at least this is how i play. and of course some of the time he will have 5x here but what can you do

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02-21-2011 , 09:33 AM

#12

ohly

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Originally Posted by alexDJI

Isn't this a bit contradictory?

i read my sentence like 5 times now and my conclusion is still: why?
in before alex points out my brain damage

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02-21-2011 , 10:08 AM

#13

alexDJI

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No one would take this line as a bluff without history, because he reps 5x, strong Ks and boats... so why not bluff then?

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02-21-2011 , 10:28 AM

#14

rollinas

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Originally Posted by alexDJI

No one would take this line as a bluff without history, because he reps 5x, strong Ks and boats... so why not bluff then?

couldnt agree more

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02-21-2011 , 10:55 AM

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Clever_Efreet

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Originally Posted by alexDJI

No one would take this line as a bluff without history, because he reps 5x, strong Ks and boats... so why not bluff then?

Because villain cannot know if we r good/bad enough to fold Kx here.

And no rollinas, I don't think villain would bluff 2 streets with air here enough times, so it would warrant u not to bet ur air and value on turn.

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02-21-2011 , 11:07 AM

#16

ohly

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Originally Posted by alexDJI

No one would take this line as a bluff without history, because he reps 5x, strong Ks and boats... so why not bluff then?

it's not a good spot to bluff against the mean population because nobody folds a pair.
also even if it was a good spot you shouldn't assume that people bluff there automatically.

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02-21-2011 , 12:01 PM

#17

Air-Bear

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Originally Posted by rollinas

if that is his range, why are you betting?

To get value ldo

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02-21-2011 , 06:41 PM

#18

sbthekid2488

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definately check calling turn

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