Taking a shot and get sat by shortsharpshock who prob doesnt view me as a pro. This comes second hand in. First hand he min raised I reraised and he folds.


Full Tilt Poker Game #24105291711: $500 + $6 Heads Up Sit & Go (186480334), Table 1 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 06:18:42 ET - 2010/09/22
Seat 1: var1ance (540)
Seat 2: shortsharpshock (460)
var1ance posts the small blind of 10
shortsharpshock posts the big blind of 20
var1ance: gl
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to var1ance [Kc 9c]
var1ance raises to 40
shortsharpshock calls 20
*** FLOP *** [6s Td Qd]
shortsharpshock checks
var1ance has 15 seconds left to act
var1ance checks
*** TURN *** [6s Td Qd] [Jd]
shortsharpshock bets 40
var1ance raises to 120
shortsharpshock calls 80
*** RIVER *** [6s Td Qd Jd] [4d]
shortsharpshock bets 300, and is all in
var1ance has 15 seconds left to act
var1ance has requested TIME
var1ance calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***

I found it hard to see him having the a of diamonds due to the dynamic of me reraising in the first hand. However k of diamonds is a big part of his range here and it is evident shortsharpshock understands negative freeroll and wouldnt check this river. Thoughts?

Well we don't rep Ad,Kd as well, except AK or so and K9

I pbb just fold

If he thinks that he should bluff this river AND doesn't have a diamond then I don't see him calling the turn. I don't think he much of bluff range OTR here and obv not betting worse for value. ez fold in my book.

really interesting spot because i have no ****ing idea what to do

what would you do with AdKx/AxKd on the turn? play it the same?

meh its really easy for either of u to get here w/ a diamond and if you think hes super polar just because he led the river, you probably arent giving him enough credit. just fold imo

imo- when he calls the turn i think he is going to have a hand strong enough to where he wont want to turn it into a bluff (enough of the time to make calling good) or a diamond he is shoving for value otr.

Yea if SSS was one of those guys that just tried to FPS outplay and turn stuff into bluffs 2nd hand vs unknowns he wouldn't kill so hard. Fold.

i'd imagine every single hand OP raises for value on the turn beats every single hand sss calls oop that includes a pair or better so i dunno why he would think anything is too strong to turn into a bluff. regardless i might be wrong because in practice against a random he's just going to take this line with the Ad knowing that OP will check back every two pair or straight otr.

i just thought it was interesting because OP's turn range includes a lot of big diamonds (which never fold and always vbet) and a lot of value hands that will check back and generally fold to a lead (sometimes JJ and JT, J6, some rare straights). this means when we jam nothing changes against his value range but we make him fold better made hands that otherwise check back. however this also makes leading better with the Ad (and only the Ad imo, not the Kd) so it's a question of frequencies in that case.

-why would SSS call the turn raise then?

which hands specifically would raise the turn that checked back the flop?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 506 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (t540)
BB (t460)

Hero's M: 18.00

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, 9
Hero bets t40, BB calls t20

Flop: (t80) 6, 10, Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t80) J (2 players)
BB bets t40, Hero raises to t120, BB calls t80

River: (t320) 4 (2 players)
BB bets t300 (All-In), Hero calls t300

Total pot: t920

Why would he call the turn raise then, unless he had a decent draw?

edit: TC1 beat me to it. And even if all this does go down that way, I think it's a huge stretch to think he's FoS here ~>30% of the time.

Bluffs you mean? Ad2 for example?

Because he's getting odds and beats bluffs =/

hmm. i was assuming op would like always flat with that kind of hand in this structure.

i just think its sorta far fetched for SSS to call turn with something weak (thinking that op has a bunch of bluffs) and then turn that hand into a bluff at a card that completes a lot of op's semi bluffs (according to u). but i do agree its an interesting spot.

98dd makes a lotttttt of sense :P

i dont really know you that well OP, but this made me laugh tbh

My thoughts exactly.

If that were true then this would be a spectacular bluff spot for sss, but I'm not sure if it is. That would also tighten his turn calling range so itd be harder to get here wo a flush

also something weak on this river that sss flats turn with can be any type of top pair or kj type hand, which call the turn for obv reasons, not like k2o as part of some sick plan to bluff lead allin on twenty percent of rivers

How is this not ez fold?

if op's turn raising range is big diamonds and strong made hands sss is just not going to bluff into that near enough of the time to making calling river profitable imho.

thanks for all your responses. Yeh spamz0r i can how that comes across lol. sss showed me the the mother ****ing nuts with Ad 5 and i went back to the 200's where i belonged. Never try to to level the beast.