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04-15-2015 , 07:49 AM
x4 multiplier. Villain seemed fairly random/weird, not too far in, not much has happened apart from hands in spoiler I suppose. He limps his buttons most of the time although has raised it as well. Other pots not posted were 4bb's or less. Not sure if other hands are of any help, just trying to be complete.

Poker Stars $4.65+$0.35 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t720 24 BBs
BB: t780 26 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 5
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) 8 T A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

Turn: (t240) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, BB calls t150

River: (t540) T (2 players)
BB checks

Spoiler:
Other guy knock-out:
Hero (SB): t600 30 BBs
BB: t400 20 BBs
BTN: t500 25 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is SB with 5 3
BTN raises to t40, 1 fold, BB calls t20

Flop: (t90) T 8 2 (2 players)
BB bets t20, BTN calls t20

Turn: (t130) 9 (2 players)
BB bets t40, BTN calls t40

River: (t210) J (2 players)
BB bets t300 all in, BTN calls t300

Final Pot: t810
BB shows J 7 (a straight, Seven to Jack)
BTN shows K Q (a straight, Nine to King)


Him playing funky:
Hero (BB): t700 35 BBs
BTN/SB: t800 40 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 5 9
BTN/SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t40) 3 9 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t40) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t40, BTN/SB calls t40

River: (t120) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t120, BTN/SB raises to t240, Hero calls t120

Final Pot: t600
Hero shows 5 9 (two pair, Nines and Fives)
BTN/SB shows A A (a pair of Aces)

Me being a station:
Hero (BTN/SB): t1020 34 BBs
BB: t480 16 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 8
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) Q 8 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t120, Hero calls t60

Turn: (t360) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t360) K (2 players)
BB bets t180, Hero calls t180

Final Pot: t720
Hero mucks 7 8
BB shows T 8 (a pair of Eights)
BB wins t720
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04-15-2015 , 08:21 AM
check. Although he might lead with Kc, he probably checks Qc,Jc given previous action.
Also, not many 2c,3c, 4c in his range. What do you want to get value from? Tx? Q8?
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04-15-2015 , 08:39 AM
Easy check. Even if it IS a valuebet you are barely ahead when he calls and against a guy like this you don't want to do that.

Also I prob would check flop given how he plays tbh. Our hand hates getting checkraised by mid/bot pair/other draws (tho it's just a 1 hand sample, and fish may even play differently on A high boards). Betting flop is +EV but checking could be better. Don't see this guy folding to multiple barrels, but also don't see him folding when flush completes after you check flop. The down side is ofc he gets a free card but with our flushdraw he doesn't get that much free equity.

Also definitely bigger ott.
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04-15-2015 , 09:17 AM
Okay so it's not just me being nitty then to want to check back here. Was confused for a bit. I thought about betting smallish to get called by Ax or Tx but for some reason I think he'd checkminraise the river like 90% of the time and then I'd just cry.

As to checking flop I'm not really convinced tbh. I'm guessing you base that off the 87ss hand. Tbf I don't even mind getting checkminraised on flop. Getting great odds and we can easily make a superstrong hand. Even if we don't hit flush on turn: 1) he checked the T8o on brick turn; 2) half the non-clubs give us a pair, or gutter or openender on top of our flushdraw.

150 into 240 is my default size, although I have to agree given boardtexture I can easily bet bigger here. Also makes for a slightly easier river jam on bricks I suppose. Now it's 450 into 540, but if I'd bet 180 turn then we got 420 into 600. Thanks.
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04-15-2015 , 11:25 AM
Yeah just based off of that hand. We aren't getting "value" with our hand, and are bloating the pot if he is checkminraising random stuff that connected with the board. It doesn't matter that we have a +EV flat vs his checkminraise as checking back in the first place could be better. The only thing we need to work out is how much equity-share we are folding out by cbetting flop, but imo it's a much clearer cbet on the flop with hand such as lone 9x, lone Kc, Qc.

I mean vs this guy we should play our range differently. We are gaining massively with made hands on that flop, but not as much with our draws. Obv still cbetting with high equity draws like QJcc since we are ahead of his continuing range so are betting for value.
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04-15-2015 , 12:59 PM
This we jamming right?

Poker Stars $4.65+$0.35 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 3 players
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BB: t540 27 BBs
Hero (BTN): t480 24 BBs
SB: t480 24 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN with J 9
Hero raises to t40, 1 fold, BB calls t20

Flop: (t90) 8 T 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

Turn: (t210) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t120, BB calls t120

River: (t450) J (2 players)

Completely readless. Edit: 260 behind. Edit2: he checked to me obv.
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04-15-2015 , 01:52 PM
shove, fistpump
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04-15-2015 , 02:02 PM
agree with shove.
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04-15-2015 , 07:20 PM
hand 1- is a check

we have around 52-60% vs a wide calling range
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depending on how wide you think he is calling we can have as much as 75%+ EQ here But if that where the case i don't think you wouldn't post the hand

It is a high variance spot against someone from the looks of things we have nice edge against, Losing chips is A lot worse than what winning chips is in Spin n go's (i think)

I also don't think checking is bad, But not the best option at 25bb closer to 15 i like it a lot more. very unlikely we get blown off our EQ and just a tonne run outs we love.

Hand 3(59o)- I wouldn't pot the river you still want him to call with 3x/5x/6x and you are not losing much value making it 95 or so. And i suppose you have to call river

Hand 4(78s)- Flop should be somewhat of a mandatory check at this stack depth, unless his C/R % is very low or his sizing is or you have some other game plan in mind, with these stacks it's very easy to be Blown off our EQ here, ESP when we have a sick load of SD/potential. I don't see too many benefits to C-betting that out weigh the cons or the benefits of checking

as for river i think i "Bleh" call also, only needs to bluffing 1/4

Hand 5- Yeah 9h is good V-bet here,
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04-15-2015 , 07:45 PM
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It is a high variance spot against someone from the looks of things we have nice edge against, Losing chips is A lot worse than what winning chips is in Spin n go's (i think)
its not, spins is like cash game since winner take all
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04-15-2015 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
its not, spins is like cash game since winner take all
yeah i think your right
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04-15-2015 , 10:45 PM
I would go for value on the first hand (7c5c). I know it seems thin but I really think he would lead with Jc,Qc,Kc. You don't have to worry about all the mediocre clubs because they're on the table. Don't see him being that tricky to trap you there because you probably check river there alot. My guess is he had J10,J8, 107 or something like that.
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04-16-2015 , 01:38 PM
Obv any hand spamz post way above my pay grade, but i want to bet small because he seems to overvalue middling hands (removing a lot of hands that beat us) and his c river range should mostly just be a ton of bull****. I think he is more likely to think the small bet is a some kind of valid strategic play based on #2.

Kinda weird to me you want to cry if he c/r u on the river. I am big station and that has to be the easiest fold in the world right, even if we are getting 1:4, 1:5 or w/e?
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