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09-30-2016 , 01:47 AM

onetwo780501

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 110

Hey,

PokerStars - €4.65+€0.35|20/40 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 1,115 (VPIP: 52.38, PFR: 40.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
Hero (SB): 385

Hero posts SB 20, BB posts BB 40

Pre Flop: (pot: 60) Hero has K

Hero raises to 80, BB calls 40

Flop: (160, 2 players) 9

BB checks, Hero bets 64, BB raises to 1,035 and is all-in

Hi

My thoughts now, that I should check back with SPR=2 (too much x/r), I should cbet with SPR>3.
What do you think?

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09-30-2016 , 03:37 AM

Axif

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 692

I think you are right.

Ez check back.

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09-30-2016 , 03:40 AM

onetwo780501

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 110

And would you cb with spr3?

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09-30-2016 , 04:08 AM

Axif

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 692

You can definitely cbet when you get deeper

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09-30-2016 , 04:11 AM

obbudsman

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,472

Readless, I'd open shove pre and check back flop (also check back deeper).

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09-30-2016 , 05:55 AM

Axif

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 692

Too "deep" to open shove.

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09-30-2016 , 06:20 AM

coffeeyay

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,536

Limp or OS. Minr is worst option.

Flop is a clear xback, yeah. Fwiw I'm not cbetting this particular board deeper either because it hits flatting ranges and leads to a lot of x/r, but it's less of a mistake.

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09-30-2016 , 06:23 AM

onetwo780501

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 110

He has a tigther reggish stat, I have only a tigth shove range there, some weak Ax and 22-55 and some SCs. I have a very wide 2x openning range.

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09-30-2016 , 06:39 AM

Axif

grinder

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GTO sometimes bets it for board coverage and super thin value, hehe.

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09-30-2016 , 06:40 AM

#10

coffeeyay

See my staking thread

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,536

If he has tight stats, so tight that you're minr bluffs 10bb, why on earth are you minr AK?

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09-30-2016 , 06:42 AM

#11

coffeeyay

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,536

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Originally Posted by Axif

GTO sometimes bets it for board coverage and super thin value, hehe.

true, but kind of a non-sequitor. real villains hit this board harder than gto, x/r more often on this kind of board, and don't play turn well when you check back (and over-fold when you barrel A and K). Vs some regs cbet is fine deeper

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09-30-2016 , 06:46 AM

#12

Axif

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 692

True. I forgot to state that vs recs I would not cbet this.

And not even vs all regs.

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09-30-2016 , 08:51 AM

#13

obbudsman

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,472

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeeyay

Limp or OS. Minr is worst option.

Given no reads on his call open shove range, how often must he iso shove to make limping better than OS?

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09-30-2016 , 11:41 AM

#14

onetwo780501

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 110

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Originally Posted by coffeeyay

If he has tight stats, so tight that you're minr bluffs 10bb, why on earth are you minr AK?

Do you have any recommendation, where can I learn about pre-flop ranges vs different opponents? Any videopack, book or something like this?

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09-30-2016 , 12:14 PM

#15

Axif

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 692

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Originally Posted by obbudsman

Given no reads on his call open shove range, how often must he iso shove to make limping better than OS?

Watch gameflow and feel the game.

I guess there is no exact figure for this.

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09-30-2016 , 01:06 PM

#16

obbudsman

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,472

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Originally Posted by Axif

Watch gameflow and feel the game.

I guess there is no exact figure for this.

I'm looking for a rough cutoff, given no reads / history besides his iso shove %, and assuming I'm decent but not an expert post-flop.

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09-30-2016 , 02:45 PM

#17

BigFredy007

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 240

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Originally Posted by obbudsman

Given no reads on his call open shove range, how often must he iso shove to make limping better than OS?

Depends on the population (call shove%, ai/nai ratio etc) but somewhre in the region of >~ 37-45%

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