Hi.
I`m playing ms mtt at Party and recently PS and 2p2 regular during few months as well.
I`ve an intention to improve hu, it seems this is a right place.

Spent few days playing $5-$22 hu turbos&hyper-turbos at PS.
And have already enjoyed some local threads, especially game between coffeeyay and deepak.
Probably we should try to arrange something like that in mtt.

The hand is from $5 hyper.
3rd or 4th round, we`re ITM.

KTo has more than 50% vs atc and I think it`a call being 10bb deep, since opponent is completely unknown.

But do you think readless open-jamming is better?
Open-limping?

In previous round another random open-jammed K7o and I snapped him w Ax. Using the read? ))

PokerStars - $5+$0.10|50/100 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: 1,000.00
Hero (SB): 1,000.00

Hero posts SB 50.00, BB posts BB 100.00

Pre Flop: (150.00) Hero has K T

Hero raises to 200.00, BB raises to 1,000.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 800.00 and is all-in

perfect hand, wp

so now to thought process, when you open it you need a plan. First off, open jamming KTo is +EV compared to folding. It's a huge hand. It's really +EV to open jam it, much much higher EV than folding.

That out of the way, let's start considering other options. when you open it, what are possible outcomes? Well villain can fold, just like they could to open jam. They could flat, and this is wonderful b/c you're 10bb deep IP on the flop so there's really nothing wrong you can do except maybe folding too often. He can 3b. So now, ignore him flatting for a sec, let's say villain flats or jams over your open.

As you correctly saw, KTo is going to have more than enough equity to call a 3b. So now you end up in the same position as jamming--you're either all in, or villlain folds. So what's the difference? Well his 3b range is different from his call and open jam range. And his 3b range is going to be (in almost every situation) wider b/c villain assumes he has fold equity. Suddenly, you're getting it in against a wider range when you do get it in. And KTo does well against a wide range (stove it, see how your equity changes from a top 10% to top 20% to top 30% range). You end up with more equity.

So yeah, wp, but when you open KTo you should be fist pump snapping his 3b and not wondering

also sick play at namedropping me. Made me 100% more willing to post more in your thread, wp wp.

lastly, if you're enjoying the malkovich game thread, post some questions or observations (spoilered of course) in it. It's been greatly lacking in community involvement and it makes it feel like no one is reading all the comments which we work really hard on.

Was surprised to get such an extensive reply. Ty.
But then realised it was a good move. ))

Is it correct -- Openlimping we can expect a shove(raise) on even a wider range, but we have risks to give villain a cheap flop w/ some connectors type hands or weak suited combos, which can lead us into some hard spots post-flop.

So, we need some reads to think limp > mr.

yeah exactly, we don't get the fold equity, so we'd need villain to be jamming over our limp a ton--like 60 or 70% of the time.

just play push or fold in general with under 12bbs (limping with monster or minraising is probably better with sth like 10-12bbs)

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...alculator.html

^just for reference. in general, u can shove a bit wider than nash against most fishes in micro-low stake and call tighter than nash since most players push too tight with under 12bbs

ofc there are some hands that u like to open shove for over 12bbs (even up to 20 bbs) like 22, A2o, K5o (With sth like 13bbs), K2s (with sth like 15bbs) since they flop like **** postflop.

^^ do that if you don't like making as much money as possible or are incredibly lazy

forgot to mention shove or fold game also depends a lot on opponent's calling range. if villain is calling u off with ATC with 10bbs, shoving 45s is -EV. against super nitty fish, r/f is better than open shoving with A2o K2s K6o 14bbs deep. if villain is calling super tight, u can shove way wider than nash, ATC with 10bbs.

yes clearly everything depends on villain. but excluding actions from your range like min raising and limping is not optimal.

besides this was about a readless villain. minr/call is better than open jamming readless. I've done the math on my own and have proven it to myself, hence I am very confident to say this. Feel free to prove it to yourself as well, or else in the future please start posts advocating push/fold with "well if you're lazy, like me, THEN"

=D

What hands do you limp 10 bb deep readless?

villain dependent. but hands that don't have enough allin equity against villain calling range, but at the same time have enough post flop playability that turning them into a bluff by bet folding is not going to be best. So for example, hands like T6o and T7o I will often be limping at 10bb.