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Old 09-21-2010, 01:39 AM   #26
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

i really think calling down river when it bricks is a pretty bad idea
yes, randoms are so unpolar in general to make call/call/fold the best plan here imo

if anyone has a good database of low stakes vs randoms, plz check and see how often a line like this is a bluff plz... even with 1000s of games you won't have a good sample on this if you're asking me; why? because someone checkraise flop/bet turn/jam river just happens infrequently enough that it's going to be a nuthand over 80% of the time imo; not talking about turn, but the entire raise/bet/bet(jam) line
especially on a board like this where IF he was raising with KJ/QJ/JhXh, he's more likely to check turn (and if not, check river imo)... or IF he's raising Tx on flop (which can happen), same thing, i expect either turn or river to get checked through

i'm definitly on the other end of the lagdonk spectrum in experience then, and i would need to be convinced of randoms raise/bet/jam lines to be bluffs a lot on any stake here by someone with a huge sample of games vs random losing to breakeven to slightly winning players

i think turn call is fine but i dont expect a river jam to be profitable to call, esp not on like 2/3/5/6/7/9 no heart because the chances of his semi-bluff or total bluff to have picked up a pair randomly now that wants to go to showdown are a lot higher now (you'd be surprised how showdown happy people are)
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:50 AM   #27
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

Thanks for chiming in. The weight of your experience means a lot.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:42 AM   #28
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

I do play the fives, and one thing I learned, is to never, ever fold a good, solid pair on the first played hand. Idk what it is, but most players down here in the low stakes play the first hand to win the pot, and only to win the pot, as if they are steaming from a previous loss (which is very well possible). Just my 2 cents, from the trenches.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:35 AM   #29
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

I agree with call/call/call. There are way too many spazzmonkeys at these stakes for me to fold. With more info I might fold at some point.
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Old 09-21-2010, 07:01 AM   #30
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

5 weaker Ax in villains hand range + FD-s and gutters/total air sometimes. call/call/call seems really solid to me.
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Old 09-21-2010, 08:08 AM   #31
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

5 weaker Ax in villains hand range + FD-s and gutters/total air sometimes. call/call/call seems really solid to me.
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Old 09-21-2010, 08:45 AM   #32
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

play the turn man
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Old 09-21-2010, 08:45 AM   #33
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

Nice thread imo. Thanks.
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:42 AM   #34
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Re: $5.25 Line check with TPMK 1st hand..

I'd be calling down and calling river. If this wasn't 2nd hand of the match I'd like it a lot less and lean more toward a river fold.
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