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06-11-2018 , 08:39 AM
Hey i dont even play spins but definitely in for the challenge. I would like to know more about how you spent your life away from the tables during the challenge. I think recovery is the most important part in this challenge. Best of luck
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06-11-2018 , 10:10 AM
Big rep+ I watch your stream and all I think is, this is how to grind. This is how to dedicated yourself for the poker money & work hard with sole focus, not those stupid micro challenges or regs snapping to pressure and moving down to small monthlies.

I was expecting a new crib after the last challenge tho', super-extra luxury playing from Manhattan penthouse or something ;)
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06-15-2018 , 11:07 AM
I will make post with updates every 10 days

Stay tuned
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06-15-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
Sadly guys, i cant tile tables.
and I believe that huge canvases of HUD on all table screen should be banned.
I believe that noone should be allowed to play more than 4 tables. Because that's bad for me.

You see, goes both ways no?

Anyway, gl, quite impressive.

Last edited by Pakichu777; 06-15-2018 at 05:41 PM. Reason: really impressive :)
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06-16-2018 , 12:06 PM
Hello FREEQONE,you said that in the past you was very bad and almost BE, i am very interested about your learning process,you said that you want to study 500 boards in pio,how do you study it and how you learn to play GTO? You make notes about similar situations or how you study it?
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06-17-2018 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kidu
Hello FREEQONE,you said that in the past you was very bad and almost BE, i am very interested about your learning process,you said that you want to study 500 boards in pio,how do you study it and how you learn to play GTO? You make notes about similar situations or how you study it?
I'm bad, but running pretty good, not BE

About my study.
I highlight my weaknesses and study only this.
(Like: HUBB Probe turn + continue river)
I have built an algorithm, first I study the top of the range, and then the bottom
When you understand how to play the top and bottom you have an understanding of GTO patterns.
And it goes.
But my game is very far from GTO.
Maybe 25% of GTO, 40-50% of exploit fishes + 100s AVG freqs and last % of logic and metagame.
I'm leaving from the GTO game and went to work with filters in PT4.
Can sort my DB by fishes and regs.
And after this create exploit lines in PioSOLVER with Nodelock tool
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06-19-2018 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
I'm bad
Stop being so humble ) Everyone knows you're the bes'!


Question time. If you did the same challenge but on $15s, how high would be your cEV?

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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
I'm bad, but running pretty good, not BE

About my study.
I highlight my weaknesses and study only this.
(Like: HUBB Probe turn + continue river)
I have built an algorithm, first I study the top of the range, and then the bottom
When you understand how to play the top and bottom you have an understanding of GTO patterns.
And it goes.
But my game is very far from GTO.
Maybe 25% of GTO, 40-50% of exploit fishes + 100s AVG freqs and last % of logic and metagame.
I'm leaving from the GTO game and went to work with filters in PT4.
Can sort my DB by fishes and regs.
And after this create exploit lines in PioSOLVER with Nodelock tool
Can I just steal this post and apply the concepts on $15s and own them high-volume? :P
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06-20-2018 , 12:15 AM
Challenge broke.

Got a really bad run.
Start tilting a lot and missplaying.
And seems i have some troubles in 3way spots (10.9 chipev, must have 17-20).
Gonna fix it and back as soon as possible.
Next try mid-July-early August.
Wait for a announce.

Graphs:

$



Chips

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06-20-2018 , 01:49 AM
Wish I could swap my 3 handed for your HU... together we'd be unbeatable.
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06-20-2018 , 03:28 AM
To be honest i wouldn't stop challenge without serious reason.
But last 3 months i'm running really bad and my mental system is broken
I played my last session with -83 buyins straight line
And that was the final point.

That's what I had
Pure 100s stake
Pretty devastated, but I think I'll find the strength to try again!

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06-20-2018 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
To be honest i wouldn't stop challenge without serious reason.
But last 3 months i'm running really bad and my mental system is broken
I played my last session with -83 buyins straight line
And that was the final point.

That's what I had
Pure 100s stake
Pretty devastated, but I think I'll find the strength to try again!

wow that is horrible man, i thought you guys in the russian pool was on EV deal? 37cev is still super good with that volume!
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06-20-2018 , 03:50 AM
yeah, but this graph since i leave from EV deal.
So i'm actually lost 22.3k without any chance to return
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06-20-2018 , 08:54 AM
Hey freeq, youll earn this money back soon!

Why you left the EV deal? How many hours do you grind/day? Thanks!
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06-20-2018 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by muriloh96
Why you left the EV deal?
The deals with the Russian spin pools aren't exact EV deals.

The members' wins and losses as of a certain month are lumped together, and the total is split between them proportionally to their $EVs, however, if the pool ran above EV on aggregate in the month, then some part of the total is added into a stabilisation fund instead of being split between the members; if the pool ran below EV, then the money from the fund is used to boost the total, however, if the fund is insufficient to ensure that each member is paid e.g. at least 40% of their EV, then some additional money is taken away from those who both had a positive EV and actually won money, and redistributed between those who ran below EV.

Thus the participation in a pool costs some of the EV (because some of the winnings go into the fund instead of being paid out into the members' bankrolls, and afaik, there's no guarantee that all the current and former members will be paid their fair shares of the piggy bank fund when the pool eventually shuts down) and may also be very tilting for someone who ran good but was paid even less than the EV because the pool as a whole ran bad (usually 85-95% of the EV in such case).

Last edited by coon74; 06-20-2018 at 06:25 PM.
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06-20-2018 , 07:58 PM
Really disgusting runbad, phew

Thx for the challenge! It was a good watch. Naive me first day seeing the mini run good thinking $ is ^^^ going all the way up too

Graph is sick, good EV, would been real good earnings too if run at 40% luck or higher
not this bottom 0.5% luck doomswitch BS
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06-21-2018 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
The deals with the Russian spin pools aren't exact EV deals.

The members' wins and losses as of a certain month are lumped together, and the total is split between them proportionally to their $EVs, however, if the pool ran above EV on aggregate in the month, then some part of the total is added into a stabilisation fund instead of being split between the members; if the pool ran below EV, then the money from the fund is used to boost the total, however, if the fund is insufficient to ensure that each member is paid e.g. at least 40% of their EV, then some additional money is taken away from those who both had a positive EV and actually won money, and redistributed between those who ran below EV.

Thus the participation in a pool costs some of the EV (because some of the winnings go into the fund instead of being paid out into the members' bankrolls, and afaik, there's no guarantee that all the current and former members will be paid their fair shares of the piggy bank fund when the pool eventually shuts down) and may also be very tilting for someone who ran good but was paid even less than the EV because the pool as a whole ran bad (usually 85-95% of the EV in such case).
Really good explanation ****, ty so much! So i think its better to assume the variance anyway haha
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06-21-2018 , 12:31 PM
Psychological and logistic considerations aside, participation in a pool gives only a bit less variance reduction than an EV deal does.

However, it's psychologically uncomfortable for some regs that their paycheck is affected by the results of their peers in a pool; also, one has to trust the managers of the pool.

As for me, I wouldn't be tilted by that, but I don't like the logistics, namely, that accounting is only done once a month, which means that, if I ran above EV by the middle of the month, I'd have to put the excess money aside to be able to transfer it to the pool accountant at the end of the pool month (usually around the 21st of the calendar month), instead of using it to play at higher stakes, but if I ran below EV, then I'd have to wait until the end of the pool month to get what's due from the accountant.

Thus I wouldn't be able to move up in the middle of the month after running good but would have to move down immediately after running bad. This would be disruptive to my aggressive BRM. That's why I play Spin Max, where there are no pools yet and hence less incentive for regs to flood the games, and occasionally HU below $15 where Sharkystrator allows to get mostly fish games, as the pools give an incentive for more regs to play 3-max spins, making grinding them unviable financially for those who're building a BR aggressively and are neither staked nor in a pool.

Those who wish to play 3-max spins with their own BR without joining a pool may be better off playing outside the sites supported by the pools (Stars.com/.es, Party and Winamax), e.g. on Microgaming.

Last edited by coon74; 06-21-2018 at 12:45 PM. Reason: grammar typo
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06-22-2018 , 02:17 PM
So do you have a hand chart next to you
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07-03-2018 , 03:33 AM
Hi Freeqone,

You can be proud of yourself. Surreal dedication and work ethic.

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About my study.
I highlight my weaknesses and study only this.
(Like: HUBB Probe turn + continue river)
I have built an algorithm, first I study the top of the range, and then the bottom
When you understand how to play the top and bottom you have an understanding of GTO patterns.
Very interesting, thank you.

Do you try understanding the reason behind every GTO play, or just memorize? I struggle a lot with this. Im not smart, actually bellow average smart, but i have a good memory which allows me to mimic a huge amount of scenarios without having a clue of what i'm doing
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07-08-2018 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SambaSwing
Hi Freeqone,
You can be proud of yourself. Surreal dedication and work ethic.
Very interesting, thank you.
Do you try understanding the reason behind every GTO play, or just memorize? I struggle a lot with this. Im not smart, actually bellow average smart, but i have a good memory which allows me to mimic a huge amount of scenarios without having a clue of what i'm doing
Yeah, i'm trying understand every GTO pattern.
But in some spots there is no logic(or too hard for my brain xD) and there is just a distribution of the range %.
I'm trying to memorize things like that, too.
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07-08-2018 , 08:09 PM
WILL RESTART CHALLENGE iN 2-3 WEEKS

COMEBACK IS REAL

But it ain't about how hard you hit.
It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward;
how much you can take and keep moving forward.
That's how winning is done!
(c) Rocky Balboa
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07-08-2018 , 08:19 PM
boss
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07-09-2018 , 06:09 PM
(bow)
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07-09-2018 , 06:32 PM
Love it!
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07-10-2018 , 03:54 AM
gl
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