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Old 04-03-2015, 12:46 AM   #1
crussifix
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Heart 3b range vs villain who doesnt fold pre but folds post.

Say villain folds to 3b only 30% deep and doesnt 4b bluff often. But his fold to cbet is 50% in 3b pot. What should be our 3b range? Can we still 3b junk like 8 5o cause he will fold to cbets so much or should our range all be value?
Seems to me we can get away with both very wide value range and also a very wide bluffing range. Flatting middle hands like Q 8 to not make it look like we 3b every hand.

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Old 04-03-2015, 01:38 AM   #2
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Re: 3b range vs villain who doesnt fold pre but folds post.

Let's do some quick math.
Let's assume we are at a first blind level (10/20).
Villain minraises to 40, you 3-bet bluff to 90.
Villain folds 30%, calls 70%.
Your c-bet is 60 into 180 pot on the flop.
Villain folds half the time, other half he raises and you fold.
1. EV when you win preflop: 0.3 * 60 = 18 chips
2. EV when you win postflop: 0.7 * 0.5 * 110 = 38.5 chips
3. EV when you are raised and loose postflop: 0.7 * 0.5 * 130 = - 45.5 chips
Total: +11 chips
In reality it will be even better, because sometimes you hit strong on the flop. Sometimes villain just calls your flop c-bet and you will be able to realize your equity share or villain later folds to turn barrel.
You can play with numbers a little bit. Calculation changes for different bet-sizings, or if you eg account for 4-bet preflop.
You also don't have to c-bet flop all the time (when flop hits villain's range) and improve your EV that way.
Question is have much you can bluff before villain adjusts his frequencies.
I would 3-bet bluff a lot (but not overdoing it). I would also 3-bet some very strong hands preflop (because villain calls) and than I would check flops with strong hands and try to induce bluffs.
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Old 04-03-2015, 03:58 AM   #3
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Re: 3b range vs villain who doesnt fold pre but folds post.

3b some very strong hands for value only? No light valuehands like J 10s or A9o?
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Old 04-03-2015, 04:01 AM   #4
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Re: 3b range vs villain who doesnt fold pre but folds post.

im not sure if i should valueraise all broadways aswell or better to have J 10o and Q 10o in my calling range.
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Old 04-03-2015, 06:59 AM   #5
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Re: 3b range vs villain who doesnt fold pre but folds post.

if you're not getting to showdown eg. he's folding post then 3b polar because your actual hand has less significance, by polar i mean the top of your range and then the bottom of your calling range (T6, J5, 84). Nice hands like JTs you can keep in your flatting range, don't waste them..
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