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Old 09-21-2010, 02:09 PM   #1
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34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

Villain was a winning player, 7% ROI @ 15$ average.
Opening 71% of buttons, calling a bit too light on BB(50%), but 3bet a fair amount too(20%). Second match, we hadn't gone to showdown much, most flops were cbet and folded by OOP. Only note was that he shoved into my 540 stack @t40 with QT(last hand of 1st match).

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 34.5 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t1535)
SB (t1465)

Hero's M: 25.58

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
SB bets t80, Hero raises to t240, SB calls t160

Flop: (t480) 10, 5, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t280, SB raises to t560

Total pot: t1040

Wtf?! I would be a lot comfortable calling a shove than this raise. I feel like shoving only folds out bluffs. So if I call, do I jam some turns, c/c or c/f mostly?
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:36 PM   #2
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

fold
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:00 PM   #3
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

a lot of people will probably disagree with me here, but I actually like c/r this flop. I feel like if you have been 3-betting a fair amount, they will put you on overcards, and this is obviously a dry board. So you can easily be floated here, or someone might raise you with junk. By check-raising, you can get better hands (medium pp, maybe even 10-J, 9-10s) to fold, and you can actually get some chips out of hands worse than you, since hands like A-Q, A-J, or K-Q might be taking a stab since you checked, and you can win that bluff. If they call or reraise you, then you're done with the hand, but at least you know that you're beaten and not just giving another guy the pot because he bet at a dry board.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:49 PM   #4
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

Nah I don't like c/r this flop.

It's good board to cbet on imo so the lead is pretty standard for me. Would fold after villain raises (i fkn hate min raises ).

Calling a shove is prob an ok move.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:52 PM   #5
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

if your plan is to checkraise/fold this flop being this shallow then you're doing it horribly wrong
if your plan is to checkraise this flop as a std you're already doing it wrong but whatever
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:41 PM   #6
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

anybody 3bets to a different amount? i don't wanna berate you on something that is probably right but i don't like the size of the pot in comparison to the stacksizes.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:49 PM   #7
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

That is a really dry flop--what kind of hands would you raise the flop with if you were calling a 3bet?
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Old 09-22-2010, 02:21 AM   #8
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

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That is a really dry flop--what kind of hands would you raise the flop with if you were calling a 3bet?
Well the T does hit a lot of his 3-bet defending range and the other two cards don't so it's borderline.

edit: I think it's a fold without reads. We don't have direct odds to call even if we knew that both A and K are live cards, and there's a good chance they're not.

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Old 09-22-2010, 02:24 AM   #9
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

Fold,and i take it you haven't been 3betting often since you have no reads in this spot.
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Old 09-22-2010, 04:25 AM   #10
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

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Fold,and i take it you haven't been 3betting often since you have no reads in this spot.
That's correct, I hadn't 3bet him much.
Thinking about it now, I see that folding is correct. I feel that I'm often hindering my play by trying to take game-theoretical approach, ie. here I'd think that
a)I don't want to become exploitable and folding to minraise here could prove very exploitable.
b)That flop is dry, so he's repping pretty thin, ie. a T and sets basically. So the ratio of bluffs in his range should increase.
*I see that above lines are a bad way of thinking, but that's how my mind works in-game*

If I would be concentrating more on my reads, I would get lines like this:
a)While minraising here would be a very sophisticated bluff, it's very unlikely that even a winning player at this level would be able to take that line.
b)I actually felt he played solid and didn't bluff past usual c-bets. With that said I should see that he most likely has what he is repping, while it is a very narrow subset of hands from his PRF range.


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anybody 3bets to a different amount? i don't wanna berate you on something that is probably right but i don't like the size of the pot in comparison to the stacksizes.
I got this idea of 3betting to 1/6 of relative stacks from Skates' videos pretty soon after starting to play HUSNGs. He didn't explain it much then, but I figured it sets up stacks well for two street play. I think there are other reasons too, like flop 3-bet shoving math, but I haven't delved into that.

But OK, let's say I make it exactly 250 at full stacks. The pot is now 500.

C-betting 1/2 pot then leaves us with exactly pot sized shove on turn and we need 33.3% equity against a shove.
C-betting 2/3 pot = 333 makes the pot 1166 if he calls with 917 = 78% of pot behind. If he shoves over, we need 917/3000 ~ 30.5%.
C-bet of 3/4 pot = 375 makes the pot 1250 with 875 = 70% of pot behind. We need 875/3000 ~ 29.2%.

That also means that after we c-bet, he can't shove over with a wide range because we'll usually only fold our total air.

I actually use the "1/6 rule" only if it doesn't make the sizing too weird and also more against an opponent who is capable of noticing the stack sizes and ratios, like in this example. Thanks for asking, I cleared it up for myself too a bit.
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:10 AM   #11
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Re: 34.5$ 3-bet AKs, get minraised on T53r

Does everybody c-bet here?
He won´t fold any piece of the flop and QJ is probably the only hand in his folding range that has 6 outs against us.
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