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33s 2pair counterfeited, hero call? 33s 2pair counterfeited, hero call?

09-25-2010 , 01:37 PM
Full Tilt Poker $33 + $1.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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BTN/SB: t1545 51.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t1455 48.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with 9 8
BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t120) 6 Q 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t60, Hero calls t60

Turn: (t240) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t120, Hero raises to t360, BTN/SB calls t240

River: (t960) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t1065 all in, Hero ?

Only played about ten hands so far. He seems good.

Flop and turn are standard. On the river though, overpairs and Qx hands beat us. But a ton of draws missed and it looks like I'm just giving up. What do you think?
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09-25-2010 , 01:54 PM
lead turn or check raise bigger.

give up river.
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09-25-2010 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by borderline
lead turn or check raise bigger.

give up river.
i dig ure posts bro, but i dondt like this particluar one.
its not like any villain shove Qx there.

OP, are u readless? plz, give us some history or whatever...
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09-25-2010 , 02:28 PM
gross spot, I call, because the average semi-competent $33 player hates checking behind missed draws on river in larger pots and bluffs in more spots than they actually have something. I think he is *very* rarely value betting Qx here, so there are very few value hands he has here imo.
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09-25-2010 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TrololoNoob
i dig ure posts bro, but i dondt like this particluar one.
its not like any villain shove Qx there.

OP, are u readless? plz, give us some history or whatever...
i think this is quite the wrong way of thinking a 6 also beats him, and he has no real kicker for his 9 since it doesnt play (if im not mistaking)

iow board is Q9668 and only thing he really beats is 8x or Air so it isnt like u can say '' its not like any villain shove Qx there " because there is ALOT more that beats OP next to Qx even better nines even if he is shoving to get a Q to fold (kinda unrealistic imo) then he can still have a 9 with a better kicker like K9

i just wanted to point out that OP just had a bluffcatch here, since i felt that Trolo his post looked like, meh if he doesnt have Q ur good

very **** gross spot

would be cool if someone could do the maths, how often villain has to be bluffing for OP to make a +EV call on the river

Last edited by fastcolt; 09-25-2010 at 02:51 PM.
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09-25-2010 , 02:44 PM
Getting 2-to-1, villain has to be bluffing more than 1/3 of the time for the call to be +EV, but it seems unlikely here imo since hero has shown much strength on the turn.

Btw, op, not "a ton" of draws have missed; only the flush draw. JT, T7, 75 got there on the turn.
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09-25-2010 , 02:46 PM
looks like a good board to just c/c down imo
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09-25-2010 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fastcolt
i think this is quite the wrong way of thinking a 6 also beats him, and he has no real kicker for his 9 since it doesnt play (if im not mistaking)
yes, and hero also loses to AA KK QQ 66 etc
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09-25-2010 , 02:57 PM
and also. lol for the kicker to the nine. hero beats other 9x.
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09-25-2010 , 02:57 PM
w/o any reads im probably folding this on river. I probably lead this turn although c/c i think would be fine rather than check/raising because there are so many bad river cards if villain flats our check/raise. check/raising just puts us in a ton of bad spots.
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09-25-2010 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by borderline
lead turn or check raise bigger.

give up river.
I like leading, I hate c/r bigger.

Fold river.
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09-25-2010 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spamz0r
looks like a good board to just c/c down imo
Can you please explain why, spamz? Don't we want to get value from draws and Qx?
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09-25-2010 , 09:12 PM
you'll get value when they bluff river and there's ton to miss and tons to bluff
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