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11-10-2011 , 05:52 PM
Can you reeeaaally fold here??

Reads: limps 100%, (limped w/AX a few times before)
loves small value bets, especially minBet.
a few hands before, c/c a Nut FD, cc Tu A and then minBet River 2 Pair.
He generally folded to stabs OTF but called w/Ah on dry flops.
He has taken this line before (OTF), I had TPNK and bet into him, folding twice when he raised on super wet flops.

    Poker Stars, $28.57 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11015292

    Hero (BB): 1,395 (69.8 bb)
    SB: 1,605 (80.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K 9
    SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: (40) 4 K 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets 30, SB raises to 80, Hero calls 50

    Turn: (200) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 20, Hero calls 20

    River: (240) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 1,485 and is all-in, Hero????




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    s Regspeed against a nit Quote
    11-10-2011 , 06:09 PM
    Wtf can we even gather from this ridiculous line by the villain? I have no idea.
    You said he loves small Vbets but then he goes ahead & 6x the pot on the river, and he's limping with everything so him having a 5 is definitely plausible. Maybe he was in a hurry to close out the game and wanted you stack off right there hoping you had A4/Q4? I'd be comfortable calling though.
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    11-10-2011 , 06:40 PM
    CAWL
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    11-10-2011 , 06:42 PM
    Quote:
    He has taken this line before (OTF), I had TPNK and bet into him, folding twice when he raised on super wet flops.
    jesus hash get your **** together.
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    11-10-2011 , 06:42 PM
    love,

    Holy Raptor.
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    11-10-2011 , 06:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexDJI
    jesus hash get your **** together.
    Are you calling against a supernit in these spots?


      Poker Stars, $28.57 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11015432

      Hero (BB): 1,515 (75.8 bb)
      SB: 1,485 (74.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 7
      SB completes, Hero checks

      Flop: (40) 7 2 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets 30, SB raises to 80, Hero folds

      Results: 100 pot
      Final Board: 7 2 6
      Hero mucked 3 7 and lost (-50 net)
      SB mucked and won 100 (50 net)



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        Poker Stars, $28.57 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11015442

        Hero (BB): 1,435 (71.8 bb)
        SB: 1,565 (78.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with T 4
        SB completes, Hero checks

        Flop: (40) 8 9 T (2 players)
        Hero bets 30, SB raises to 100, Hero folds

        Results: 100 pot
        Final Board: 8 9 T
        Hero mucked T 4 and lost (-50 net)
        SB mucked and won 100 (50 net)



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        s Regspeed against a nit Quote
        11-10-2011 , 06:59 PM
        I wouldn't donk any of those flops with those hands.
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        11-10-2011 , 07:01 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by alexDJI
        I wouldn't donk any of those flops with those hands.
        against a supernit who is folding 70% of the time? lol, seriously?? I think you're just being difficult , for whatever reason I don't know.
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        11-10-2011 , 07:14 PM
        if he's folding that often, you should check to see a cheap showdown, and see how his betting patterns are in later streets to get more information.
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        11-10-2011 , 07:17 PM
        I wanna keep the pot small because I don't really see the point in inflating the pot when I could check out his betting patterns on later streets for later hands.
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        11-10-2011 , 07:31 PM
        but there is alot of worse hands he can call in both spots, no? also most of the scarecards are pretty obvious.
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        11-10-2011 , 07:32 PM
        I see your point, but we had already established his betting pattern, mBet or SmallBet (like 1/4 pot even less) for Value. That's it, that is all he done, apart from the Huge Overbet Shove in the OP.

        He was superstandard. On the hand where I had 73s he is calling with a decent flushdraw (Jh+, or maybe 2nd pair). So there is definitely value we can get from him.

        2nd hand is similar, he is probably calling with hands like JX, 9X, 7X. So I really don't see the point of checking here also.

        I can see your logic if we didn't really know that much about the villian, but as I said, he was a superstandard nit.
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        11-10-2011 , 07:46 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by ohly
        but there is alot of worse hands he can call in both spots, no? also most of the scarecards are pretty obvious.
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Hash1982
        I see your point, but we had already established his betting pattern, mBet or SmallBet (like 1/4 pot even less) for Value. That's it, that is all he done, apart from the Huge Overbet Shove in the OP.

        He was superstandard. On the hand where I had 73s he is calling with a decent flushdraw (Jh+, or maybe 2nd pair). So there is definitely value we can get from him.

        2nd hand is similar, he is probably calling with hands like JX, 9X, 7X. So I really don't see the point of checking here also.

        I can see your logic if we didn't really know that much about the villian, but as I said, he was a superstandard nit.
        What I don't like about betting is it's making the pot bigger. Now obviously we can bet for value, but then we play a bigger pot with a ****ty holding OOP and most cards that are coming are ****ty for us. It's really really difficult to play those hands by betting the flop. I prefer keeping the pot small and playing it safe when our hand is so weak. It's hard to explain, but by betting it makes our range more transparent and his more fuzzy/wide (although you could argue he would raise with anything stronger than a flushdraw, but then again you don't know what kind of kicker he would have with his pair etc. and how he would play if he he had Jd4x and hit his J on the turn on the 726ddd board).
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        11-10-2011 , 08:14 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by alexDJI
        What I don't like about betting is it's making the pot bigger. Now obviously we can bet for value, but then we play a bigger pot with a ****ty holding OOP and most cards that are coming are ****ty for us. It's really really difficult to play those hands by betting the flop. I prefer keeping the pot small and playing it safe when our hand is so weak. It's hard to explain, but by betting it makes our range more transparent and his more fuzzy/wide (although you could argue he would raise with anything stronger than a flushdraw, but then again you don't know what kind of kicker he would have with his pair etc. and how he would play if he he had Jd4x and hit his J on the turn on the 726ddd board).
        I understand where you are coming from, against a different type of nit I may consider just checking. But these 2 hands we have the best hand a lot of the time. So we just have to bet for value and make him pay to try and hit whatever **** he is calling with. Against someone who is so ABC nit I would bet OTF 100% for value and just take it down. This guy just kept folding and it just so happens he had something on these 3 occasions. Blah.

        Against a TAG on the other hand I can definitely see your point in cc or c/c here for POT Control, as he can put us in a tricky spot by c/r many hands which may fall within his range.

        BTW I tank called and he had 54o

        Bolded Part, I think he would just check, this hand is so LOL:

          Poker Stars, $28.57 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11017912

          Hero (BB): 1,455 (72.8 bb)
          SB: 1,545 (77.3 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with J 5
          SB completes, Hero checks

          Flop: (40) J 8 3 (2 players)
          Hero bets 40, SB calls 40

          Turn: (120) A (2 players)
          Hero checks, SB checks

          River: (120) 2 (2 players)
          Hero checks, SB bets 20, Hero calls 20

          Results: 160 pot
          Final Board: J 8 3 A 2
          Hero mucked J 5 and lost (-80 net)
          SB showed A 2 and won 160 (80 net)



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          Last edited by Hash1982; 11-10-2011 at 08:20 PM.
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          11-11-2011 , 04:09 AM
          in the first hand, i would argue that the probability of having worse than Kx is way lower than 5% for most players.
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