Very first hand of match vs complete random. I just don't know what to think of this on river, I tend to think this is just a trivial fold. I was obv value betting against a vast array of hands once he checks flop but his river cram is a bit wtf and I tend to think I'm toast... Does anyone agree/disagree? Why?

No Limit Holdem Tournament
2 Players
Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter
$300+$15

Stacks:
SB gregorysk8s (1500)
BB Hero (1500)

Effective Stacks: 75bb

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BB with A J
gregorysk8s calls 10, Hero raises to 60, gregorysk8s raises to 140, Hero calls 80

Flop: A 4 8 (280, 2 players)
Hero checks, gregorysk8s checks

Turn: Q (280, 2 players)
Hero bets 140, gregorysk8s calls 140

River: 9 (560, 2 players)
Hero bets 395, gregorysk8s raises to 900, Hero ????????????

readless I'm pretty sure you're beat too often to call.

Fold.

edit: also, I'd bet turn bigger on the first hand.

Yeah the reason for my sizing on the turn was mostly that the hands im betting for value against I didn't really think would call 2 big bets but more likely to call like this size + my river sizing. Them hands being weaker Ax/KK/JJ/TT (obv much less so the JJ/TT). I thought it was weird if someone took this line pre and wanted to be passive otf with better ?Ax hands unless it was like AA which there is only one combo of, or like A8/A4/88.

wtf is he repping? 99 and maybe QQ

the value range he is repping is so narrow here...i'd call.

he is repping JT, I would fold there

way too strange to fold imo, kinda on the fence about pre...how common is this play among randoms really?

Don't really put these playable type hands in a randoms limp/RR range tbh. If they limp, they are limping to limp/call with a hand like this imo. I would feel extremely owned if someone did this with one of these hands to take lead in the pot on this level when they could have just raised in first place.

completely agree,


because its the first hand and an unknown I think we have to generalise here, and I think tbh your going to find that most of th time its going to be one of these extremely tilting illogical fish that for some unknown bizare reason thinks its insanely devious to limp re-raise premiums even though they have no idea how often your raising there limps.

I think most fish that are in the mentality of spazzing out the first hand with trash will more likely 4x-6x+ than take the limp re-raise route, like if it was one of these players that was going to stack with 610os pre why would he limp hoping u raise so he can re-raise spaz out?

This weights a fishes 1st hand limp re-raise to made hands and premiums even more, he probably has AA or QQ alot and even though he is repping an insanely narrow value range on the river I very much doubt he has any air hands here,


I mean if he had air on the flop he is more than likely to bet that ace high board, so when he chks he has a piece, more often trapping or pot controlling with a smaller pair (like qq) etc,

also most fish are probably never turning showdown value into a bluff like ever well not knowingly lol, so to put him on a bluff he has to limp re-raise with trash then chk a perfect board to bluff, float the turn and raise your river bet. or he is over valueing worse but cant see any hands he could be doing this with that he took this line with.

ur beat like always imo

Pretty much was my thought process here.

can you tell that fish that limp premiums when I have almost never punished a limp tilt the **** out of me lol.

a clear fold imo.
he can very well have QQ,AA,AQ,99 (all hands he has reasons to check on flop),
and i don't think a random is ever doing this river raise with TT,JJ,KK, he would just call or fold.

basically, he must be doing it with complete air for you to be ahead. (which is almost a non-existing range after a limp+reraise pre and a flop check)

Pretty horrible spot, especially with no reads. Does look like QQ, or AQ/AK? I think you're crushed here.

oops I misread the hh didn't see he rr pre. I still think its a clear fold.

k thanks guys. Pretty sure most people agree with fold, which is what I did. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't overly nitty or anything, or no one had severely diff perspective.

SBF and barewire did, but barewires opinion doesnt matter and the majority seem to think fold.

sorry kevin i dont listen to 12 year olds. haha, im obv j/k.

What are you unsure about pre? You want to 4bet? Surely you don't want to fold?

yeah i was thinking about folding, i mean think about the type of range you guys are putting him on when you say he can't have JT. i don't know your experiences but when i'm facing a limp against an unknown i probably get my raise 3bet like 3-5% of the time.

and on a side note, if we shouldn't fold pre simply because of good odds and uncertainty, what makes us so certain about river?

Isn't it pretty std in poker that the more information we get the more certain we can be about ranges?