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04-21-2016 , 03:57 PM

Pyha Karu

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PokerStars - $28.20+$1.80|10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 1,040 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 6)
Hero (BB): 460

SB posts SB 10, Hero posts BB 20

Pre Flop: (pot: 30) Hero has 9

SB calls 10, Hero checks

Flop: (40, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, SB bets 20

PokerStars - $28.50+$1.50|10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 500
SB: 490 (VPIP: 65.82, PFR: 49.33, 3Bet Preflop: 17.65, Hands: 85)
BB: 510 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 10, BB posts BB 20

Pre Flop: (pot: 30) Hero has 9

Hero calls 20, SB calls 10, BB checks

Flop: (60, 3 players) K

SB bets 41

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04-22-2016 , 07:58 AM

none888

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First hand is a fold, 2nd is a call if we are hu, idk here

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04-22-2016 , 07:09 PM

ebet33

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^ huh how are they any diff. U prolly have more equity in hand 1 with ann over

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04-23-2016 , 02:51 AM

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first hand is a gutshot, second is oesd

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04-23-2016 , 09:22 AM

Pyha Karu

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Originally Posted by none888

first hand is a gutshot, second is oesd

So you almost never call gutshots(unless double gutshots) on 3 flush flops?

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04-23-2016 , 03:16 PM

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First call or x/r are close. Would need fairly strong reads to fold this strong of a hand in a limped pot this deep vs a half pot bet.

Second is probably a fold given strength of donking ranges from SB on that kind of board, would need reads to call, though since we have OESD and are IP and it's a limped pot it won't be a terrible flat either (or even raise/fold for that matter).

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04-23-2016 , 07:44 PM

Pyha Karu

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Originally Posted by coffeeyay

So calling all gutshots is perfectly fine on 3 flush flops to.half pot cbets? We gonna have a crazy amount of missed draws on blank turns and rivers, so I assume we will get bluffcatched superwide in these spots on rivers when we miss and turn is checked.
Even with the 2c9h flushdraw we are not folding on this flop either, right?
How much do things change if his standard is betting 3/4 pot as cbets?

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04-24-2016 , 09:12 AM

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idk i believe its a fold in first hand, even in gto this is superclose in ev, and imo people cbet less these flops with air, so seems like easy fold to me

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04-24-2016 , 11:09 AM

kobmish

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Since most players are not super comfortable playing the first hand on turns/rivers OOP and actually making it a profitable flop call with competent turn and river play I strongly believe it's a fold on flop. The somewhat stronger stabbing range that none888 mentions gets more or less offset by the poor play on future streets for the IP player so it's not a huge deal, it's still close. The flaws in mostly probing and to some extent vbetting for most players OOP makes it a fold imo.

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