what makes u think that u see the whole picture by ss?

Of course it's perfect for 60s and 100s - 30$ division will pay their rake and time to clear lobby for them. Nice.

It's gonna be extremly hard job for 30s division to clear 30$ lobby since there are too many regs there. But so pity that most of the dividend will get guys from 60-100.

Also, I was always wondering if there was a regular in 60-100$ division who started to earn more $/hr after cartel system started?

So why should Pokerstars be against cartels? So many free rake for them from reg's pockets.

What is the rest of the picture you took into consideration then? And did you take same thing into considerations for the guys with better ss graphs who you havent ever talked to?

Its annoying when people say stuff like that yet nobody says how picking the initial guys actually worked then.

+1

Is there any time requirement for achieving ROI goals vs. division members? Say it takes 6 months to achieve such goals but in 6 months from now division pool has different players, what happens?

Also, why are there several divisions (A,B,C...) ?

I agree with both Blue and Dilandio
- ss can be very misleading
- it's basically impossible to start with all the strong regs
- no matter what you do there will be a ton of complaints
- for some of the guys in there is probably 0 advantage to be in from the start and they are in for a very hard time
- long term this is clearly good for the best regs
- some guys will be printing while getting in and possibly doing better than guys in

All is true. What I still don't get is why some of the guys are in at all, neither of the above is actual argument to prefer obvious weak members. But anyway in a few months things will come in the right place and from past experience there is zero point complaining, so moving on.

@xkcd Can't speak for 30s, but for 60s there is no time requirement from the point division started after, so my guess is no for the 30s too
Inside grouping is just for convenience, there is no hidden meaning.

Can you clear for me rules pls

1. Do I have to inform someone that I want to get to Cartel etc. Or just at some time I play games, do the requirements - games/roi and then write to who?
2. What period of times I have to play the games? Is there some timings? Or just I can hit my number of games/ROI in year for example?
3. If the cartel member was kicked out for some reason do the games count vs him played earlier when he was in?

About sng itself
4. If I sit someone and he declines. Do he has to write a reason?
5. If I sit and ask for games, 2-tables etc... For what period or games it has to be? Is there a strict ruls?
5a. I prefer games not minutes or hours can I ask just for something like 20-25-30 games?
6. If he decides to decline in the middle of our session?
7. If player refuses to 2-table for certain games?

Thank you

I guess a few people like myself where left out due to lack of networking..

Getting in is based solely on ev then or yes votes? I want to get cracking

Looking forward to see how the lines will look in a few weaks

And one more question

8. Can members of a cartel play each other? (Something like if one thinks that other is weak etc.)

Hi, these are my results at 30$ http://gyazo.com/65514882de7bc20ccc90cc3e8dbbaf3f
42k games with ROI adj 2.6
These are my results for this year
http://gyazo.com/32fd693bd8fd7a5207aa0f7b23868e40
ROI adj 2.2
I am not a bumhunter and have never declined regwars. Can you explain me why i was not icluded into the cartel? I have watch some random players from the cartel by sharkscope and see that their results are much worse than mine. Where is a justice? Its incredible that after 42k this limit's games i have to prove something.

IMPORTANT

As some requested, to begin with we will have an additional tier to get into the cartel. This is meant for the people who are serious about that and want to achieve it in a short time frame and felt left out.

Those are the tiers right now:

$30’s
2800 games = -1.05% ev
4200 games = -1.33% ev
5600 games = -1.48% ev
7000 games = -1.60% ev

In addition to that we will offer
2000 games = 0 % ev


This tier is temporary and can be removed with 20 days prior notice.

As with every divison that starts out there are weak links, so it is easier to get in, and as a result of this a 0% ev ROI is achievable in our opinion.

Games already played since beginning of division will count ofc.

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Hello all.

Have played 50k games so far at 30s. Most of the time multitabling 3-5 tables.

As I have seen this topic I wrote to skype which was given here, sent my results, and I got an answer:

"[14:01:01] John Meyer: ofc there are people most likely with worse results than you, thats not even a question, but by starting out if you havent appeared on anyones radar then its just very hard to get considered, sorry thats how it always worked in the beginning"
http://gyazo.com/e9bb6feb06dc8179f4e931d6fb3a3463

http://gyazo.com/ef017ef06f723d254b9b927f03f69787

I thought poker was about skill not about how much u know one or onother. I wasnt informed about division is being formed. The chat here was created when all things were done (maybe that weaker players in the div wouldnt be kicked out by stronger..)

I am not scared of fighting any of member there, I am trying to get into 60s now also, but what I have to prove and why?

Thats unfair. Thats 30s div. Welcome.

umm, well this is a departure from established norms! Of course you should be able to sit other members if you are in. From a "stated objective" pov, that is "to clear the queue / move down weak regs" it is exactly the same as sitting a sitlister. Not to mention if there's actually rules against it, that is terrible and perpetuates "the cartel is only there to protect their weak friends" mentality.

Sorry, i just got informed that it is possible. So consider it a yes.

Okay, so since this occurs over and over again - the division as it is now is full, if you want in, the only way is to play yourself in. For this regard, please don´t ask us anymore if we can still consider you. We have a Cap that is reached, so for every new member one other has to leave and this can only happen by showing us the results. Thank you.

hmm now weak regs from cartels, who will be seated by good regs, have to think about coming at 15$, so its time to make 15$ cartel. Be carefull when choose this way, there no free places at 15$

To all the guys who feel they are good but got left out

(Please send me pm if you have solid results over large sample + 5k games minimum)

We are 13 regs with better results than many on that list and we feel networking might help to defend our interests better

Gl

Mimic, some players have no reputation at this forum, because they made registration only for thread about 30$ cartel, so they cant send private message, only posts. I think be better to write your skype for others.

Sorry

Not sure if i can put my email here anyway please contact me

Alfa.mimic at gmail .com

Gl

Uhh this is getting interesting, could be fun with a gang war sorry meant division war.

I think it will be very interesting. I need to print tickets for this event)

About what u r talking??? Cap, oh really? Tell me please how many friends is there? And why it wasnt creating in public? U wrote here when all was done.

In your place I would be silent and wont try to fool people.

Was fighing to get my place into 60s now Ill have to fight to get my place into 30s. THATS REALLY FUN, isnt it?