Starting Monday there will be an an format divison established at the 30s similar to the ones known from higher stakes. With the recent increase in WL numbers not explainable by seasonal effects as well as the introduction of Spin&Go formats, many 30s regulars felt the urge to formally establish a divison. Before that, loose group existed that to some degree tried to cope with the ever increasing WLs by sitting certain regs but this has proven to be not effective enough.

Effective immediately all non-divison members will be sat by the group. Those who want to join the divison can do so by accomplishing the following results vs. group:

$30’s
2800 games = -1.05% ev
4200 games = -1.33% ev
5600 games = -1.48% ev
7000 games = -1.60% ev


If a player produces those numbers against the group, they will join the group.

If you want to join the group you have to comply with certain rules to be eligable. If you do not comply with those rules despite producing the results you will not be accepted to the group.

- You dont have to play a group member for a period of time. Yet it is not acceptable to sit/decline. This will result in non-consideration for joining the group despite the fact that the sitlister can produce the results stated above.

- A group member has to play you for at least 30 mins. If he needs to quit early he has to give an explanation in chat to you.

- A sitlister has the right to request a 2nd table from a group member.

If you have further questions about it, please post below.

Are you able to post list of players, who are already in division?
Want to create allias and mark them properly etc.

Public list of members like 60s have would be nice. Also I am not sure - does only sitlist player have the right to request 2nd table, so one can get in 1-tabling if he wants?

Edit: too slow with the list

Theoretically yes, but once you are in you cannot 1table and you will be forced to 2 table min. so not sure if thats a good strategy to begin with.

Since at 60s plus it is clearer who wants to join the group the division can require it to play 2 tables and penalize if they dont.

At 30s its not so clear so its harder to enforce/penalize in the end.

+1 for the list

Also curious on what criteria has been used to determine who starts in the division? The only thing that seems to be a problem when a division starts is that some weaker regs get in and are essentially protected for a few thousand games just through knowing someone. And whilst I agree, eventually the better regs will get in etc, its 2800 games that on a lot of occasions were never necessary.

As for the list the leaders will have to decide if they release it or not when it is finalized, so far there are still some names up for discussion..


For the criteria who got in initally and who not - its really simply tbh.. You put some random 30s regs with solid volume and history together and you basically get contacts to most other winning regs. So initally thats how the divison was formed. Through contacts and past history together as well as solid results. This way people were contacted and asked if interested. I´ve been around at 30s for a while and i saw many familiar names pop up in that process. Obv. there are some regs who might not have built up contacts in the past or stayed in their own groups without opening up too much too the outside, so yes it is possible that there are some cases that have been overlooked.

But as it is always when you built something new, it cannot be perfect and fair to everyone from the start but it will hopefully improve over time.

Well the list should be released for Monday, so guys know who to sit to build their sample. Also I really hope there is no one in only because he is someone's friend. It's ok to not know all guys, it's 30s, the pool is huge, players will be missed in the initial selection, that is fine. It's NOT ok to ignore someone on purpose. It will be pretty sad to see that someone with 2 roi, barely beating 30s is in, while someone with 6, crushing 30s, is out or someone successfully battling 60s is out. Even if we ignore how insanely biased and unfair that will be, this is also a recipe for a disaster.

Or in other words - not everyone will be in from the start, there will be unhappy, that is ok. Just make sure there aren't some names in, that you can't find a single person to say something good about their game.

any 1.5 division here?

hi guys, dear leaders, please tell me about the criterias, how did you selected the starting members?

Best unintentional impression of "Teddy KGB."

so, no "friend issues" ?

ok, I know that's hard to form a starting group, and It's hard to be fair. I accept it totally. My problem is, that I havent know anything about it. Some members I know now, have 2% or worse. My stats can be checked on SC. So isn't it a "little bit" funny, that I have to be waring and play -EV to get in?

So if you always one table, and don't plan on ever 2 tabling, does that make you ineligible to join and/or get into the group?

+1 to the list
Who is in right now?

List please!!

+1 to the list

games before the start of division count?

Thanks for the chuckle bro.

This. I have over 1k games with 30$ regs the past 2-3 months will those count?

So kobmish mentioned about a division forming before like 2 days and its instantly ready lol. Things escalating fast nowdays.

How many good reg do you think will make up the list? How many will be pushed down? Just a rough estimate.

Bang!

To the people concerned about the selection process in regards to ROI. ROI in itself is pretty meaningless.. Per some peoples definition a guy like bluenowhere with his crappy ROI is probably a fish while a guy who beats the games for 5% is exponentially better. Obv. this is nonsense, as it is highly depended on how people select opponents.

Guys who play a lot of regs to begin with will have a lower ROI. Which leads us to Genher question. This is hard to say as this is a bit of a new situation for a lot of 30s regs IMO since a lot of guys made solid money dealing with recs. but not so much by fighting regs. So it has to be seen how this translates into results for individual players over time.

Theoretically not, if you start 2tabling once you are in. If not, i dont see how this gonna work out for you.

can someone explain this for a dummies?

You are not forced to play anyone for any period of time, but if you sit decline members and you want to join you will not be considered. Stuff like timing down or other douchey behavior falls in the same category really. If members do that they will get infractions or get kicked so we can just as much expect that from potential candidates.

Well you said in one of your previous posts "solid results". Now if roi is not measuring solid results, I am really curious what is. Of course the variance in the SS roi can be huge, no doubt about it. But still, giving blue as example is a bit too much, while there will be a few guys like him, I really doubt the vast majority play remotely close to same reg/rec ratio. So this leaves the question, what is solid results?

There are some other factors - willingness to battle, good reg game etc. This however should be a really wide spread opinion or at least confirmed by someone impartial. Else it remains - hey, I know this guy, he is good (meaning he has a good heart), let's get him in.

One more thing - what about guys successfully battling 60s?

But let's give this the benefit of the doubt for now and comment more when the list is released, which logically should happen by the end of the day.

Do you require a minimum number of games per month to get in?
+1
you should really release the list within the next few hours!