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07-14-2011 , 08:46 AM

hyperbad

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 117

This is 30 euro reg speed match, villain was raising junk a lot and played it along these lines: bet - check - bet big air, or check - bet - bet small medium strength hands like flopped middle pair. He called my first 3bet w 76 and get small value on the river w straight.

Hero (BB): 1,505 (37.6 bb)
SB: 1,495 (37.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with ...
SB raises to 80, Hero raises to 240, SB calls 160

Flop: (480) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 240, Hero calls 240

Turn: (960) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 1,015 and is all-in

How credible villain's line is in the hand, what is the minimum we need to make a call here?

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07-14-2011 , 09:01 AM

crazyriver

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,732

Why don't you c-bet after 3-betting?

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07-14-2011 , 09:41 AM

hyperbad

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 117

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Originally Posted by crazyriver

Why don't you c-bet after 3-betting?

I saw him taking pot control lines w value and betting w air, here I was ok to check-call, not to get raise / shove. In other 3bet pot, he checked back w 76 on TT7 board (that hand i have AQ).

Last edited by hyperbad; 07-14-2011 at 09:49 AM.

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07-14-2011 , 09:48 AM

matvaju

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 607

i dunno, i wouldnt even play like this in the first place, probably would call with two pair++ only. If u were thinking about calling this with Ahigh, its no good imo.

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07-14-2011 , 02:25 PM

rockafella93

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 352

I don't think it's that bad checking flop here bc we're shallow enough to get all the chips in betting 2 streets + it looks very weak and we have some significant reads on him in 3bet pots.Given your reads I think villain is weak in this spot.I think that his small bet OTF is aiming for more fold equity OTT.If you were in his position would you bet 1/2 pot OTF and overbet shove turn with a value hand or you would do it with your air?I assume he is good,thinking reg but not a fish smashing buttons.I call very light in this spots-pair of 9s+

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07-14-2011 , 02:46 PM

cloch

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 132

9x+ probably, pretty villain dependent though on you dont really give us that much information to decide what to do in this spot.

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07-14-2011 , 03:28 PM

hyperbad

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 117

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Originally Posted by rockafella93

I don't think it's that bad checking flop here bc we're shallow enough to get all the chips in betting 2 streets + it looks very weak and we have some significant reads on him in 3bet pots.Given your reads I think villain is weak in this spot.

I think that his small bet OTF is aiming for more fold equity OTT.If you were in his position would you bet 1/2 pot OTF and overbet shove turn with a value hand or you would do it with your air?I assume he is good,thinking reg but not a fish smashing buttons.I call very light in this spots-pair of 9s+

Similar thoughts, he is representing nothing here. Villain is winning player, but with small ROI in 800 games.

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07-15-2011 , 10:40 AM

Punch Dancer

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,694

I wouldn't check the flop unless I thought he had a high bluff frequency and his range diverged based on his actions. In the case that it did I would take this line, and call, with a huge range of value hands.

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07-15-2011 , 10:45 AM

t1lt

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,152

How on earth is he repping "nothing" here?

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07-15-2011 , 10:52 AM

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Punch Dancer

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Originally Posted by t1lt

How on earth is he repping "nothing" here?

What sort of hand overbet shoves for value when the PF 3b'r shows weakness?

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07-16-2011 , 07:20 AM

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hyperbad

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 117

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Originally Posted by Punch Dancer

My reasoning was to see next card and maybe call his bluffs here as I saw him taking pot control lines when hit he flop and I had a pair plus backdoor flush.

Based on what I've seen, the only hand he may had a reason to shove was naked Ac. I did call here, he was bluffing w Ad 7d.

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