18 hands in. villain is a losing player. only notable hands were villain limped with KT. I raised w/ QJ. He called flop and turn on Qx8s4s 6x Ks and went check check on the river. villain c/r 779 then min bet the turn and river with A high.

(sorry, hand wont convert)

Full Tilt Poker Game #25120881948: $30 + $1.50 Heads Up Sit & Go (194621312), Table 1 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 03:16:42 ET - 2010/10/30
Seat 1: villain (1,655)
Seat 2: Hero (1,345)
villain posts the small blind of 10
Hero posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kc Ks]
Villain calls 10
Hero raises to 80
Villain calls 60
*** FLOP *** [7c Js 3h]
Hero bets 100
Villain calls 100
*** TURN *** [7c Js 3h] [4c]
Hero bets 280
Villain raises to 560

Hero???

I'd ship it, and cry when he shows that f**in J4o..

I call because i think he have QJ J10... For me he fears straight draw or flush draw... Is tipical of losing players... With this rainbow board vs losing player for me KK in very nice hand. I call and hope the river is not 10 or Q or A

Call and c/c river.

gives him a chance to bet worse hands; while if you shove, you are skewing his calling range towards some Jx but mostly sets/ two pair

All in

lol @ all in

In a vaccum, it's probably a fold because fish show up with the nuts EVERY TIME with this line.

I sigh and call though. You're getting pretty sweet odds to bink two pair and bust the sucker. I would almost never fold in-game in the off-chance villain had a blood clot in the brain and decided to do this with QJ or bottom pair. Also, villains who tend to play like this usually suck dick at extracting value. You can probably see a showdown for pretty cheap on the river. Heck, he may even check behind.

not always a strong hand, but its a strong line in general, so all-in probably the worst option here, I would just keep the pot as small as possible and try to get to SD and TAKE NOTE!

i think this is right.

I think this is best, just pot control and use this is future info.

Yeah, i think fish show up w/ the nuts so much here we could probably find a fold.


Now say we still sigh and call turn anyway. Are we only calling if the board helps us if villain shoves? (if non-pairing card rivers we fold to a shove?)

meh we should prob fold but I tend to call and puke @ showdown in-game

unimproved, fold to jam.

**** didnt read villains reads, he seems really ******ed, I still think this is just a fold but **** not sure

I would flat it. Villian seems a bit ******ed. HE might take this line w AJ, KJ.. possibly a FD +pair or something, and we're getting the odds to peal vs his two pairs. I think theres enough two pair combos and semi bluffs to call here.

Are you guys are really considering the call on the turn and the fold on the river? If I understood you are saying that you think they have 2p+, so 2 pairs, straight and set. If he has 2 pairs you have 8 outs to win the pot, you are giving your stack with the worst hand against 4 outs and folding against 32 cards, if he has straight you have 0 out to win the pot, you are giving your stack against 14 outs and folding to 30 cards. If he has a set you have 2 outs to win the pot, you give your stack against 10 outs and you are folding to 32 cards in the deck.

To me our 2 options are to shove or to fold. In game I never fold, but I think I should fold against non-total******ed player. If I look to your note I will be more incline to call.