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 Hypers - CB or check behind?  Hypers - CB or check behind?

01-31-2012 , 04:34 AM
Is it to light to call here, that mincr looks so scary.
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    BB: 520 (26 bb)
    Hero (SB): 480 (24 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q 9
    Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

    Flop: (80) Q A T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 40, BB raises to 80, Hero calls 40

    Turn: (240) 7 (2 players)
    BB bets 80




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    What do we do here, call and give him free eq, 3b and hope to induce from worse, or push and get called by better?
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      Hero (SB): 550 (27.5 bb)
      BB: 450 (22.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A 2
      Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

      Flop: (80) 5 5 5 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets 40, BB raises to 90



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      01-31-2012 , 06:01 AM
      I probably play the first one the same and fold the turn, club or not.

      I don't think you need to cbet so big on #2, like 30 does the trick. I'd probably peel, but I don't mind a fold. It looks like this guy is going to hang himself soon.
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      01-31-2012 , 08:38 AM
      Unless he's an idiot and doesn't 3betjam pocket pairs pre, he isn't repping anything but a 5 in the second hand. I'd call him down
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      01-31-2012 , 03:13 PM
      Hand 1 I'd cbet to get value from worse Qx and Tx. We can discount some Ax and good Qx from his range because he flatted preflop.

      Hand 2 I would flat but you could bet smaller as Regret$ said.
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      01-31-2012 , 04:50 PM
      Call flop and hope he shuts down on turn or u improve. Hand 2 I don't mind reraise to 140 to induce a bluff.
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      01-31-2012 , 07:31 PM
      H1: 3bet jam flop.

      H2: call.
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      01-31-2012 , 07:59 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by bunzablood
      H1: 3bet jam flop.
      I gotta say I really like the idea now that you say it, but why do you think its better than calling down?
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      01-31-2012 , 10:39 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Regret$
      I gotta say I really like the idea now that you say it, but why do you think its better than calling down?
      That flop smacks his range but at the same time it's more likely he does not have Ax here. Given that, even an inducing-like min x/r doesn't scare me here. More likely, he's draw-heavy. Our equity is good against that range. Jam when we have the eq...prefer it to calling, as turn/river likely improves villain more than us.
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      02-01-2012 , 04:51 AM
      H1- I think turn club is card that scared villain and he try to pot control TP (I know is ace but from my experince min x/r is TP+) and two pair hands
      and I think small turn bet will follow another small river bet so I fold turn even this small bet

      H2-like call flop
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      02-01-2012 , 02:04 PM
      Hate 3 bet jamming flop. Your equity against his calling range is bad and u fold out a lot of his air.
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      02-01-2012 , 02:12 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by bunzablood
      That flop smacks his range but at the same time it's more likely he does not have Ax here. Given that, even an inducing-like min x/r doesn't scare me here. More likely, he's draw-heavy. Our equity is good against that range. Jam when we have the eq...prefer it to calling, as turn/river likely improves villain more than us.
      i think this is a very negative approach, if he is on a draw, every turn card that doesn't improve him improves our equity alot.
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      02-01-2012 , 09:48 PM
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      Originally Posted by ohly
      i think this is a very negative approach, if he is on a draw, every turn card that doesn't improve him improves our equity alot.
      ..and every turn card that hits him decreases our equity to near zero. Further, if he bricks turn, we are unlikely to get him to stack off. If he's on a draw, and that's most likely here, I'm taking advantage right there on the flop when it's clear he is willing to tango.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by 3tothev
      Hate 3 bet jamming flop. Your equity against his calling range is bad and u fold out a lot of his air.
      Actually, our equity is good against his calling range. And, not often will he min c/r with air on this board texture, and even if he does and we call, he's not likely to continue betting. We are getting our best odds to stack off draws on the flop, I'm taking it here.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by olistr
      H1- I think turn club is card that scared villain and he try to pot control TP (I know is ace but from my experince min x/r is TP+) and two pair hands
      and I think small turn bet will follow another small river bet so I fold turn even this small bet
      I don't think he's min x/r this board with TP. Think about it, why would he? TP is scared of that flop for sure. We can't be sure ofc but I really see a draw-heavy hand here (str., fl, fl+pair, str+pair, fl+str. etc. for him to make this powerful move).

      Last edited by bunzablood; 02-01-2012 at 10:09 PM.
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