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08-05-2013 , 03:49 PM
Hey 2+2,
I was playing with a friend, very skilled 30$ Hyper Turbo regular, levels 3 mins.

Seat 1: VILAIN 460
Seat 2: HERO 540

VILAIN posts small blind 10
HERO posts big blind 20
Dealt to HERO K 7

preflop
VILAIN raises 20 to 40
HERO calls 20
flop K 4 5
HERO checks
VILAIN bets 40
HERO raises 40 to 80
VILAIN raises 40 to 120
HERO
So, to make it clear, i check raised flop to 80 only to avoid being comitted against a better king and being able to fold to a 4bet, and i think correct play is fold.
As i was playing with my friend and we didn't really care, I shoved, he paid, he had double pair K 4 ... turn 5 river 6
Both double pair K + 5 I won with kicker 7.

Question is:
- is the hand played correctly up to that decision?
- what is the correct decision?


Imo hand is correct and fold is the right move here; but if i was sure, i wouldn't ask
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08-05-2013 , 03:57 PM
U have to go with your Hand.
But I think this Spot is a VERY Good Spot to Slowplay and just call.
There are no cards that you are Worried about and he ca. Barrel a Ton Like 9 T J Q and A

Wouldnt Be to afraid of The A because some People Check A High back and call Down then.
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08-05-2013 , 03:57 PM
lol at folding, flatting here all day, if there is some crazy check raise dynamics Id click back
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08-05-2013 , 04:08 PM
guys... 2 facts:

- Not check raising at first 40 bet is EV-
- Then paying 120 to see turn card commits me to the pot, with a feeble top pair and low outs...

When you say call/float, explain please, give arguments!
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08-05-2013 , 04:40 PM
you are getting very good odds ~14 %, you can call even if you know he has KQ
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08-05-2013 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by none888
you are getting very good odds ~14 %, you can call even if you know he has KQ
I doubt that as you have < 7 % eq flop->turn.

but calling anyways obv.
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08-05-2013 , 07:19 PM
yeah, but if he has KQ we can safely assume we will get all his money if we hit
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08-06-2013 , 09:32 AM
I will Float this and call Down to:

1.Represent A High.

2.Give him The opportunity to 2nd Barrel 8 9 T J Q A

3.Dont Isolate Against better Kx

4.Balance my Calling Range :3

5.I will checkraise however if he Plays back on this Board!
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08-06-2013 , 10:11 AM
Well in this abstruse situation facing KQo EV(call and assuming having 6% equity on the flop and getting it in with any 7 otherwise fold)~EV(fold)

Whatever. Folding is ridicoulus, jaming is folding out bluffs, calling let them contiune. I call as almost everybody here
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08-06-2013 , 10:21 AM
Yes but why do you want to make this check Raise ?

Its Splitting up our Range, weakining our cc Range.

It only gives us The opportunity to Level The Opponent but without The read "playing back on dry Boards" or "getting Leveld by small checkraises" I will slowplay on The Flop and let him Barrel.

My perceived Range Looks Like middlepairs, bottom Pairs, A High

If he doesnt Barrel These hands get an Easy Showdown.
If he does Barrel he is Facing some Kx of course.
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08-06-2013 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PacificJJ
guys... 2 facts:

- Not check raising at first 40 bet is EV-
- Then paying 120 to see turn card commits me to the pot, with a feeble top pair and low outs...
seems like i have to quote myself... either no one is reading, or no one is understanding: if u guys float you dont represent anything, you have no fold equity anymore; both players are commit to the 320 pot when remaining effective stack is 300 on the turn

you guys say lol at folding and say "i float coz i have 7-14% to hit a sh**ty double pair and stack the vilain" it is hyper turbo headsup, not some kind of deepstack fullring tournament

please justify the float, and the "no fold"
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08-06-2013 , 04:40 PM
first, it was just worse case scenario if he has KQ, but just did accurate calcs and its basically broke even call vs his KQ, second, hitting 7 is not making ****ty 2 pairs.
and he could be bluffing because he thinks you are check raising air, also how does calling flop commits you to the pot ott lol?
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08-06-2013 , 08:43 PM
Don't fold this at 25bb deep ever. Either checkraise gii, or check call down. Wtf is this thread
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08-06-2013 , 08:46 PM
Also your reason for checkraising flop seems to be wrong.

It's like you are saying "I checkraise to make sure that when he plays back, I will be beat", which is just about the worst thing you want when you checkraise.
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08-06-2013 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PacificJJ

So, to make it clear, i check raised flop to 80 only to avoid being comitted against a better king and being able to fold to a 4bet, [B]and i think correct play is fold
This reasoning is...awful. u chk/raise only to avoid being committed vs better Kx?!?!?!
you knows ur friend's game way better than anybody else. If u believe folding is correct vs his range. fold. I never fold vs anybody unless i have a strong read, and in that case i flat.
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08-07-2013 , 04:55 AM
nice bluff
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