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Originally Posted by watergun7
I don't think so. If you really want to talk about bb/100 EV loss, it will can actually be pretty big even preflop as it's a 3b pot
It could be, if you were advocating a pretty absurd 3b size relative to the pot (for example, going 8 or 10bb would be a disaster because of overfolding), but the difference between 5 and 6 bb will be very marginal.
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although bigger errors in bigger pots are not as important and you might not even feel the difference intuitively (50bb/100 mistake in a pot of 20bb is not as bad as a 10bb/100 mistake in a pot of 2bb for your overall game).
This sort of thing is true, yeah.
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I have seen typical EV errors in various spots fwiw, and don't know where you got your 0.5bb/100 from. I don't have a 40bb sim with full EVs and sizes, but really believe that this number is wrong...
So yeah, the EV error in terms of bb/100 is "pretty bad", or at least on a different scale compared to 0.5bb/100 (I would say prob below 5bb/100 , but above 2bb/100), although that wasn't what I was trying to say (it's not a big deal for your winrate, which is what you are trying to say I think).
I just pulled that out of a hat, and reviewing some numbers I have it's definitely a touch small, but I would pretty confidently say it's gonna be below 3bb/100 vs a theoretically perfect villain, and if I really had to make a guess it would be about 1.5-2/100. You're right that my point was that it won't crush your wr in any way, but I also did think the EV numbers would be closer.
I don't have a 40 solution either and don't want to get too much into what I looked at, so I hope you can trust that this is a reasonable estimate
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Also in reality I think 3betting to 150 with KK here is just worse than a bigger size as well for a lot of reasons. I certainly think it's true readless, or vs the vast majority of villains.
This could be true, not sure about it though because you do block v's continuing range, with this effect being magnified the bigger we 3b.
Anyway, interesting exchange here, seems I misremembered some details!