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Hero (BB): t580 29 BBs
BTN/SB: t420 21 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 6 5
BTN/SB raises to t40, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t80) 9 3 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t80) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t40, BTN/SB calls t40

River: (t160) A (2 players)
Hero bets t85, BTN/SB raises to t340 all in, Hero ???

Villain has been marked as "aggro fish/bad reg" few months ago. No further reads since my HUD won't show old HHs. He wasn't limping etc, but fairly aggressive preflop and postflop (small/old sample).

Please post WHY you would play it X Y Z way. Curious how you guys play this hand.

easy check on the river and depending on sizing most likely call to catch his missed draw, why do you bet the river, do you expect to get much value there and from what?
edit: also he probably has a decent amout of Ax in his flop check back range

Id go for t50 ott and c/c riv depending on size

usually his cb range consists in a lor of 3x and Ax, maybe some stray small pp but not a lot.

Turn bet is good for value.
On the river you could bet small to get thin value out of 3x or just c/c if he bets small. But when he raises your bet, he reps the A so well that it's a must to fold.
@kobmish I think he doesn't have draws, the most obvious would be 87 and maaaybe some gutshots but I think he cbets that part of his range.

Are you guys going for 2 streets of value here?
I'd rather check the turn and lead bunch of rivers.

I think turn is a better spot than river if we choose one street, range that calls turn > range that call river, at least for me, and yeah most draws cbet the flop but still....
And also if we check turn there are a lot of rivers where value gets pretty questionable...

what are we trying to get value from when we bet the river?

Well, I said bunch of rivers, but I did not count them. I think that if he check 2nd time ott, we can put him on some marginal SD value, like K-hi / A-hi. Most of the time it is A-hi, and I still wonder who taught fish that

So if value gets questionable, you dont wanna create bigger pot ott and gets into tough spot otr. He can also make you fold your best hand. And OP said he was aggro, so I dont see many draws in his range (if any).

Cause betting the turn seems like we expect him to fold right there, which is not true in most cases. I'd prolly bet less than half pot otr (after checking the turn).

yep, so sick river spot

Not really that sick imo...

Checking and betting turn are both OK given he is aggro but on this river I would check. As played I'm very curious what he has since you have a note that says aggro, and his line reps very little value.

I think his line reps "I'm making such a weird play that I couldn't POSSIBLY have an A here "

I would assume that this is some level-based play on his part and that he probably has value

hmm i think i would go for c/call river, agrro is capable of rasing that with some air i dont like bet folding there, and bet calling its blehhh

easy vbet ott 50-60 vs 3x, Ax, Kx and random overs.
x/call river (almost any size) vs his bluffs.

not really a sick spot man.

I xc river. He likely fires river with some3x some 6xsome air A maybe Khigh to make calling ok.

I would not call that shove even if you have to be right 255/840=30%
The sole things that makes sense are some boats as he decided to x flop with 2pair being afraid you not connecting that great with flop oop. Some rare total air is likely also present.
The more you think he does this with 3x and with 2overs to the turn ie, the more you call. I would just fold.

I'd be going t54 turn and probably c/f river with c/f>b/f>c/c. Even aggro fish/bad regs are going to recognise the sdv they have (which pretty much every hand that you beat has) and check it back realising that betting would be ******ed with like K2 and stuff. Also I wouldn't even be surprised to see 96/93/99/66 type hands here. Just look at how many more value combos he will have than bluff combos and it should become apparent that c/c (at least v a standard sizing) is pretty bad.

After multiple reviews and reading discussion here plus discussing with some friends I agree that the sizing is rather bad and could been better like t50 OTT and t65 river.

As played this was the reason why I went for the (hero) call:
Because I don't think villain is capable of showing 9x there esp when he was (c)betting alot. Also my river bet was for value vs Kx and 3x, and I agree that the sizing was bad. Despite the sizing being bad 9x is deff. in our range. Made the hero call and villain showed 53o.

The reason why I mention this as a sick spot was that I had the exact question that watergun7 has in mind.

wesh, 65o oop i fold preflop, as played ok for flop and turn but as said before if you bet river you will have an very difficult spot, of course sometimes he will show you 35 but first in 30$ you will lose a lot with hero calling here and if you re opponent is agro is better to check for value induce river imo because an K high will found an good spot here to bet vs miss cbet but k high will fold a lot if you bet here.

I didn't ask a question... I just think you shouldn't lead this river much at all. It's also possible that your river bet is -EV.

i don't think we should lead river in basically any szenario i can think of, turn betting and x/c is both fine, if we bet i would definitely bet bigger and then x/c this river or x/f depending on his cbet% and checkback range you assume he has. if you think he only checksback weak sd value like A high stuff or smaller PP etc. i would bet turn way bigger


e: i think the river spot is a prime example why betting here is inherently wrong, the A hits villains perceived range to a high degree yet his toprange is unlikely something that will jam over a lead, which means betting 9x here is bad compared to x/shove, which means if you only bet 6x your range is terrible and he can easily jam Ax for value, which means you win the minimum with 9x and lose the maximum with 6x. horrible

betting river in his shoes (villain) with most of his range is obviously not ******ed at all, just disagreeing ppl who say villain shouldnt bluff here when you check to him. Nonetheless im not sure if its still a c/c vs a readless reg.

bet turn easy chk fold on the river, you would have to be giving villain decent credit for turning sd value into a bluff to chk call. like if the guy has any draw 99% of the time its bet on the flop which makes his turn calling range pretty much A hi and 3x 6x and kx,

when u chk river like no way ur average reg is turning k high into a bluff even though in theory he should be as he does want to be vbetting ax when he hits and kx is likely to be bottom of his range.

which in short means when u chk river and he bets its likely just going to be ax or some pp higher than 6x and lower than 9x.

vs a reg that doesnt auto cbet the world on the flop and actually has more decent ranges it becomes closer as he will have more rando backdoor flush draws that he will bluff with. so vs someone with a lower cbet it probably just becomes an easy chk call

his line as played is super weird and doesnt make much sense like slow played aces or something

really?

turn is a lead don't check, this river is a c/f but i would call now. he is always bluffing here

Riverbet is fine imo. And call his raise because Villain would most likely just call Ax on river and obv doesnt have many 9x in his range.

betting river is terrible, no way do you have close to 50% needed to bet