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; A8o bluffshove turn vs donker ; A8o bluffshove turn vs donker

09-25-2010 , 09:18 AM
Villain was donking almost every single flop and continued on the turn with smallish bets. I called him down 1-2 times and everytime it was weak pair or draws. On time he donked flop and bet turn big and I folded so I think his range here is mostly 7x, low pps and draws.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $50(BB) Replayer
($985)
Hero ($2,015)

Dealt to Hero 8 A

Hero raises to $100, calls $50

FLOP ($200) 7 9 3

bets $100, Hero calls $100

TURN ($400) 7 9 3 2

[color=red]bets $100, Hero raises to $1,815 (AI)
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09-25-2010 , 10:20 AM
this line looks like complete bs and you can easily find a better hand to play back at him with here.
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09-25-2010 , 10:50 AM
"Villain was donking almost every single flop" ... "I think his range here is mostly 7x, low pps and draws." That does not compute.

And shoving is very spewy imo.
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09-25-2010 , 11:16 AM
spew
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09-25-2010 , 11:27 AM
Why is it so spewing? If his range is 7x, low pps, draws and air (obv too...) I have FE vs his airballs, vs his pairs I got 6 outs and vs his draws I'm ahead.
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09-25-2010 , 11:45 AM
You don't benifit (all that much) from folding out his air and I doubt villain will call your shove with a nakes draw unless it has some added equity. So you are usually drawing to 6 or less outs when you get called.

If you want to bluff this board, you can do so with a smaller raise-size and fold out about as much hands as you would have folded out with a shove. (He might decide to shove his oesd or something similar though, instead of folding it).

But that aside, your hand has some showdownpotential so i'd try to get to showdown if I have the odds to do so against his donking range (which we almost certainly have on the flop considering your description).
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09-25-2010 , 02:12 PM
Just raise his flop donk if you want to bluff. But I wouldnt, it's too drawy.
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09-25-2010 , 03:03 PM
Worst turn card to do it.
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09-25-2010 , 05:24 PM
Your line here is fail! You have a 2:1 chip lead 20bb deep, keep it simple ffs!

Everything was stated before:
- If you want to bluff, check his donk lead on flop
- this turn card is pretty much the worst card to make a move
- overbetting looks soooo suspicious that you might get looked by any part of the board
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09-25-2010 , 10:13 PM
OP,

Just call on the turn and reevaluate river. No need to bluff with your hand here.
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09-25-2010 , 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shove
Why is it so spewing? If his range is 7x, low pps, draws and air (obv too...) I have FE vs his airballs, vs his pairs I got 6 outs and vs his draws I'm ahead.
err,
don't know why your betting to increase your fold equity vs his air (unless you think he has AT+). Sure its good to get him to fold out his equity in the pot, but if you think your equity is greater then let him pile in the $ with a smaller equity share.

Also it would help if you provided some reads into his preflop calling tendencies oop (as this would help putting him on a range here).

Generally I think most villains will just push there pp's at 20bb's oop so I would discredit seeing many pp's here. I also think a lot of villians will be 3bet shoving a lot of better A's here as well (like AT+, prob A9 some time though this again depends on reads) and your beating all other A's except A7, A9, A3, A2.

His bet sizing seems weak on the turn but I think raising here turns a hand that has pretty good show down value and is getting a good price to call and make a pair on the river into a bluff.
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09-26-2010 , 05:21 AM
makes sense. ty.
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