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Old 02-10-2019, 01:57 PM   #176
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

i agree with Saintanna here,

you're taking a very hard way to make after all, probably not a super high yearly

anyway, i hope you don't start playing 8 tables, so I do have an interest in this
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Old 02-10-2019, 01:57 PM   #177
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bots/collusion/no volume to open 10 tables maybe?
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Old 02-10-2019, 02:18 PM   #178
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don't think it has much to do with that, what he's trying to do is just very hard to do

playing a huge amount of spin's at low CEV, w/o game selecting (so during bad hours)

so close to the breakeven point, you'll swing a ton (both in real $ and in EV)

it's already really hard to play 10 tables at 100's profitably & then factor in variance and motivation swings, and it'll really suck

it's really quite impressive, takes a special person to do this
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Old 02-10-2019, 02:41 PM   #179
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You play poker they way grinders used to during the golden SNE times with the big difference that u are getting close to O RB. Why don't u play on partypoker? This year they got their own SNE program and special deal until 100% rakeback for the first 2 grinders reaching 200K rake.
I consider about partypoker.
I have very good closed offers much better than stars grind.
Well, my $/hr capped at 50-60$/hr atm and i'm not agree with it.
I've done so much work, I have so much experience and in the end get humiliating results.

I don't know how to increase my EV in the spins.
Spending a ton of hours in lab? Nah, not working.
4-5 tables focusing on quality not improve it.
Losing games/hour and all the same.

I have planned to move to another apartment and after that I will try to make the last breakthrough.
I want to try a 100 hour work week or 400 grind hours a month.
No theory, no solvers, no PT4 analysis.
Only pure grind.
F7ck it.
It's all useless, it doesn't help me.
All I can do now is play a lot.
I don't stream, but I don't play.
Since January 20, I played 1000 games and on the 25$ stake.
I'm depressed and angry at the same time.
I'll return the streams when I get back to the game.

If things don't get better, I'll end up with spins and trying something new.
I think it will be the MTT.
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Old 02-10-2019, 04:05 PM   #180
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I consider about partypoker.
I have very good closed offers much better than stars grind.
Well, my $/hr capped at 50-60$/hr atm and i'm not agree with it.
I've done so much work, I have so much experience and in the end get humiliating results.

I don't know how to increase my EV in the spins.
Spending a ton of hours in lab? Nah, not working.
4-5 tables focusing on quality not improve it.
Losing games/hour and all the same.

I have planned to move to another apartment and after that I will try to make the last breakthrough.
I want to try a 100 hour work week or 400 grind hours a month.
No theory, no solvers, no PT4 analysis.
Only pure grind.
F7ck it.
It's all useless, it doesn't help me.
All I can do now is play a lot.
I don't stream, but I don't play.
Since January 20, I played 1000 games and on the 25$ stake.
I'm depressed and angry at the same time.
I'll return the streams when I get back to the game.

If things don't get better, I'll end up with spins and trying something new.
I think it will be the MTT.
Just my opinion but still don't think you are looking at this logically, which is weird because strategically you are very analytical. Everything is pointing towards a standard nasty patch of variance. Only way to get through is play your way out in games/stake where you almost certainly have edge and stakes financially aren't too stressful.IMO forget about 100 hour week that's ridiculous, 10 tabling 7-8 hours a day is plenty with the odd 10-12 hour day on weekends. Would also forget about streaming more then 1-2 times a week unless it's making you money that's just a distraction.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:12 PM   #181
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

You sound very tilted, work on perspective, play 4 hours a day of good volume, and pay someone you trust who is very good to analyze your play to see if they spot any leaks/autopilot type bad decisions. You can obviously scale back up to 8+ hour days once you're sure that you're in a good place mentally and playing well. "**** it, I'll just grind for many hrs" is something I've seen in the past in similar situations. Angry, emotional volume rarely ends well.

With the volume you play, even improving in a few common spots can have major improvements.

And if EV is really consistently high then nothing you can do except grind, but you shouldn't be so tilted if EV is strong and results are just bad, that's just variance that you can't control, you've played enough to where you should be able to get into a place where all you care about is EV.
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:22 AM   #182
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You are able to play huge volume - which is a fantastic poker skill to have in your toolbox. In my opinion you should invest in coaching. Great coach would help you improve your EV and s/he would also provide psychological support during downswings.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:48 PM   #183
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Well 50-60$/h playing 8 hours is 400-500$ a day and this is not good for russia/ukraine??.Man theres people who work all life/make sacrifices get promotions to higher positions etc to take this kind of money and have bosses on their heads .I dont want to say that u didnt put a lot of work,hours ,dedication but 400$ a day is top salary even in good countries for educated man so i dont know what u dont like about this.All i wanted to say is that is good deal if u really would make 50$/h for longterm for playing cards and mby sometimes even more .Going into Mtt scene unless u're HS crusher also would make much more than 50$/h and u must invest a lot of time transitioning i think since u are god at HU shortstack which would be usefull on hu/turbo/hyper tournaments and should learn quite a lot of ICM.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:43 PM   #184
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Just go 30s and put 400hr grind month make 25k+ and recover your confident then back to 100s and crush them, never give up bro, its all mindset.
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:06 AM   #185
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bots/collusion/no volume to open 10 tables maybe?
2 years ago, Party's client was limiting the number of tables to 18, and each spin / fastforward table counted as 4, so it was impossible to play more than 4 spins (called Sit & Go Hero then) at the same time. Perhaps the limit has been removed since then, but the client hasn't improved much - 4-tabling without freezes requires a really strong PC.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:38 AM   #186
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a ton of the ppl itt prob don't realize what it's like playing spins for a living if you haven't tried it, when you're in makeup and owe some guy amount in 5-6 digit, need to pay rent and eat but you're running 200-300bi under ev playing in reg infested games.

freeq, we played a bit on stars (ikzzz) and i always said "**** this guy" when we played, you were one of the only regs i remembered playing that gave me made me say to myself, wtf? because you played so differently than everyone else

hope you will get out of this friend, you're a good guy
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:46 PM   #187
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a ton of the ppl itt prob don't realize what it's like playing spins for a living if you haven't tried it, when you're in makeup and owe some guy amount in 5-6 digit, need to pay rent and eat but you're running 200-300bi under ev playing in reg infested games.

freeq, we played a bit on stars (ikzzz) and i always said "**** this guy" when we played, you were one of the only regs i remembered playing that gave me made me say to myself, wtf? because you played so differently than everyone else

hope you will get out of this friend, you're a good guy
Thanks mate, glad to head good words
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:59 PM   #188
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Every time I gave the last chance to exploit style.
I was completely disappointed in this.

I return to the GTO setup of 2018.
This setup helped me win 20,000 challenge.
He raised me to the limit 100$ and gave a stable income.

Exploit just destroyed me.
There is a reason of course, for example look at my graph AI/CAI in HU after leave from EV deal.
This is a nightmare of any player, but it happened to me in reality

Spoiler:


Now I'm going back to GTO, disable HUD, disable nicknames.
Yes, nicknames, I played a lot w/o any nicknames only with tags "BUTTON/SB/BB"
Who cares anyway? Play in GTO against all.
It takes away the moments when someone beats you or running over EV you all the time.
Minimizes the ego.

At the moment I restore my knowledge by grinding in Simple GTO Trainer + PioSOLVER + InstaGTO hands reviews.
I need time to remember all the details and get back to the game.

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Old 02-13-2019, 07:08 PM   #189
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gl with that)
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:51 PM   #190
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THAT GRAPH IS SICKK!! anyway hope you all the best, GTO FTW IMO! see you at the tables sooon
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:05 PM   #191
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You said that problem were VS fish play and u were winner/breakeven vs reg, why are u going to full gto if exploitative strategy can get more chips vs fish ?
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Old 02-14-2019, 01:13 AM   #192
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You said that problem were VS fish play and u were winner/breakeven vs reg, why are u going to full gto if exploitative strategy can get more chips vs fish ?
Bad results, no impact of studying exploit.
In theory this should work, in practice it shows worse results than GTO.
I can't do anything with it, really tried.
Maybe I'm an idiot or stupid or don't understand something,
but playing according solutions of PioSOLVER gave me results better than some exploit lines, adjusted based on trends of pop tends and HUD.

I've seen a lot of bots in my life, including zoom, where there was a clearly locked exploit strategy and they are crushing 10bb/100 most tough game at that time.
Okay, but I still don't understand how it works.
I can lock any pop tends in PioSOLVER and see how i need to adjust my strategy.
I'm not blind and know about all fish leaks, common reg leaks.
It is easily can be locked, but what happening in practice?
I'm running like a dumb, random clicker grinder.
Potentially, I increased my EV by exploits, but in reality my variance has become quite insane.
The f7ck is that not logical and weird. The higher the winrate, the lower the variance.

Respected players and strong players me say:
"Dude, what you want? You playing 10 tables, forget about exploit, you cannot do it perfect as 3-4 tables player"
It seems true, there's no point in trying anymore.

Perhaps it was originally a misconception and GTO crushing much better than exploit.
But I don't know, I don't care.
My plan: no more exploit.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:54 AM   #193
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Your runbad is insane, I hope you get some insane upswing soon.

Your work ethic is insane, you deserve success more than anyone.

GL
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:37 AM   #194
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fish game is ez, dont overbluff, dont overcall, bet BIG on streets for value and fold river cause they almost always have it
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:57 AM   #195
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I've seen a lot of bots in my life, including zoom, where there was a clearly locked exploit strategy and they are crushing 10bb/100 most tough game at that time.

Respected players and strong players me say:
"Dude, what you want? You playing 10 tables, forget about exploit, you cannot do it perfect as 3-4 tables player"
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This. Bots doest adjust vs every player, so its the same as you with locked strategy playing 10tables, weird thing is what you explain in theory exploit strategy should work but..
The graph above is SICK, i mean SO SICK,anyways gl next plans.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:58 AM   #196
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fish game is ez, dont overbluff, dont overcall, bet BIG on streets for value and fold river cause they almost always have it
poker is not that simple
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:01 PM   #197
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:14 PM   #198
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poker is not that simple
haha, i mean obviously not and every single fish plays differently but i think after playing HUSNG for years you kind of pick up on fish tendencies..

it's like trying to make a GTO river bluff vs a fish, they aren't capable of folding KK on an A high board in a 3bet pot. when i was getting a bunch of coaching from some of the top guys pretty much everyone agreed the better you are vs regs the worse you you get vs fish which is totally understandable.

i was never "really good" at battling regs but i was good enough to get by on the sites i played + i think i had a higher ROI vs the pool as well because i adjust really well vs bad players. i think that's why hellmuth can do well vs big tournament fields and stuff like that but will get crushed in a super high roller vs german robots.

anyway, i think i said it before but freeqz maybe just give up spins and play mtts, you can play 10+ tables and i bet you would crush mid stakes right away since the regs are pretty awful and learning HU gto you do fairly well in spots people suck at, btn vs bb, sb vs bb, etc. also when you're late stages you're commonly in 25bb eff stack pots so your edge can be massive if you play it correctly.
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:20 AM   #199
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But can u get 60-100 hourly at mtts?
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:41 PM   #200
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But can u get 60-100 hourly at mtts?
Dont think so,expecially if hes 10-15 tabling .To get hourly that much must play mid-hs 4-8 tabling battling some good regs deep stack.
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