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Old 12-15-2018, 03:01 PM   #101
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

Are you playing off stream ? didnt see that x100
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Old 12-16-2018, 11:00 AM   #102
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Maybe take a break from the streams for a week.
Popularity falls, and I'm tired of the same questions.
And also tired of sitting under the webcam 24/7

Why pokerstars, not party/wmax/etc
What is your biggest spin
What is your BR
Lol, you losing? -10k? Wtf
How long will poker live?
How much bankroll do I need for spin and go $3?

I need rest
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Old 12-16-2018, 11:40 AM   #103
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Why have you ever thought that streaming would be +EV?
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Old 12-17-2018, 07:12 AM   #104
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yeah, no streams week.

will back 24.12.2018
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:43 PM   #105
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Lol, you losing? -10k? Wtf
How long will poker live?
How much bankroll do I need for spin and go $3?
Beautiful.
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Old 12-25-2018, 06:45 AM   #106
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yeah, no streams week.

will back 24.12.2018
Havenīt seen you streaming. Would be great to see you back at Twitch
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Old 12-25-2018, 08:17 AM   #107
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Havenīt seen you streaming. Would be great to see you back at Twitch
The desire to make a stream I recharging.
I'm a little tired and burned out, a lot of things piled up and I'm sad
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Old 12-25-2018, 09:21 PM   #108
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Thx for the realtalk, man. I really appreciate how openly you talk about running bad. Hope i see you streaming again. Glgl!
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Old 01-05-2019, 05:26 AM   #109
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Ok, seems i'm restored.

My plan back to streams 8-9 Jan.
Thinking about challenge inside challenge.
Like 25000 games for a 31 days, hmmm.
Probably gonna try in Feb-March.

I also think to find coaches or a strong stable.
PM me if you know how to help me.
I can offer a huge % of boosted winrate profit.

Also recently won another x100.
My EV deal group provide me 20% instant cash of any huge multiplier.
Overall not bad.

Stay tuned, guys.



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Old 01-09-2019, 02:50 AM   #110
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Ok, lets update my challenge result.
My last 3 weeks was SUPER LAZY.
I started to lag behind the pace, I think we'll have to catch up.

I need to play 202k spins for a 374 days.
540 avg per day. Pretty sure will play at least 200K spins for the entire marathon.
I think in bad days I will play 30$ to achieve 10K EV.
Also need to fix 60s and 500s stakes +EV ;D



Checkpoints:

11.11.2018 - 4581 Games / -14300$ Net Won / -3017$ EV / 69 hours
21.11.2018 - 10100 Games / -9700$ Net Won / +4087$ EV / 144,5 Hours
07.12.2018 - 14570 Games / -12470$ Net Won / +4735$ EV / 210 Hours
09.01.2019 - 20471 Games / +7760$ Net Won / +12800$ EV / ~320 Hours

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Old 01-14-2019, 08:48 AM   #111
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Yooo,

How come u play 100s while u make more ev on 30s?
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:39 AM   #112
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Yooo,

How come u play 100s while u make more ev on 30s?
100s slightly profitable than 30s because rakeback
Let me remind you that i joined in EV deal and the requirements for the bankroll have decreased.
w/o EV deal need at least 1000 buyins, but i prefer 1500-2000.
with EV deal would be ok 350-400 buyins.

So now I'm not risking anything and can play a very dispersion game with the same EV as in 30$ spins.
I think I have 31-35 chips/tourney at 100s.
But when GODMODE begins, i will gain more EV at 100s than 30s.
It will be around 200-250$/hr or so.
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Old 01-15-2019, 02:59 AM   #113
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your actual hourly is 25$. how can it be 200-250 soon?
cheers
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:34 AM   #114
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your actual hourly is 25$. how can it be 200-250 soon?
cheers
I mean in context what stakes to play
Guy asked me why I'm playing 100s instead 30s, when 30s have more EV$/hr.
I will clarify more mathematically.

My average winrates 30s: 47, 100s: 35
Yeah, atm 31, but i'm pretty sure it is a very bad run, but anyway, lets assume it is 34 today.
it would be at 100s with 75 games/hour 43,87$EV$/hour.
At 30s 43,75EV$/hour
This is my longrun $/hr and i'm ok with this
But sometimes we get best run, when avg chipev gains +10 chipEV
So 30s 57 chipev, 100s 44 chipev
In $/hr at 30s 85,76$EV/hour, at 100s 185$EV/hour.

So there is a big difference when we running hot.
Thats why i'm playing 100s, yeah, i have same EV at the end, but someday this day will come, when I will win every hand next 5-6k games.
In addition, grinding on 100$ keeps you on your toes and forces you to constantly study.

All numbers I calculated with 75 games/hour and -0.3% ROI EV deal offer.
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Old 01-15-2019, 04:29 PM   #115
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Thank you for the updates mate!
Wish you all the best, gl
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:25 PM   #116
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100s slightly profitable than 30s because rakeback
When you even start noticing the effect of chests on your ROI, that's when you realise that the ROI is way too low
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it would be at 100s with 75 games/hour 43,87$EV$/hour.
At 30s 43,75EV$/hour
I'd gladly give up 12 cents per hour just to be less stressed about the fluctuations of the monthly 'EV' payouts that I'd be getting from the deal (they're less than bankroll fluctuations would be without a deal, but still substantial).

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Old 01-16-2019, 01:02 AM   #117
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I mean in context what stakes to play
Guy asked me why I'm playing 100s instead 30s, when 30s have more EV$/hr.
I will clarify more mathematically.

My average winrates 30s: 47, 100s: 35
Yeah, atm 31, but i'm pretty sure it is a very bad run, but anyway, lets assume it is 34 today.
I don't understand this. How do u assume ur cev is 3 points higher than it actually is in your PT4? Of course if u assume such things one can justify basically anything. CEV will always depend on how the games are in any given time and since the start of spins, average cevs are decreasing cause fish get better and more regs in the game because of hyperschool and stake groups. Just look at hyperschool stats since their start. Their monthly profits are decreasing steadily while player pool is growing.

I hope you are correct and games are not dying but i think it would be so good for the games if all staking groups and hyperschools would be banned.

Cheers
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Old 01-17-2019, 12:17 PM   #118
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I don't understand this. How do u assume ur cev is 3 points higher than it actually is in your PT4? Of course if u assume such things one can justify basically anything. CEV will always depend on how the games are in any given time and since the start of spins, average cevs are decreasing cause fish get better and more regs in the game because of hyperschool and stake groups. Just look at hyperschool stats since their start. Their monthly profits are decreasing steadily while player pool is growing.

I hope you are correct and games are not dying but i think it would be so good for the games if all staking groups and hyperschools would be banned.

Cheers
In my PT4 DB more than 100K games at 100s with overall winrate 39
I already gave a discount of 5 chipev because of the bad field at 100s
So I think I'm adequate in my assumptions
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Old 01-17-2019, 12:20 PM   #119
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18.01 STREAMS WILL BACK!

Only hardcore, metal scraping, loud screams and the sounds of chainsaws.

I return with renewed vigor.

https://www.twitch.tv/freeqone

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Old 01-18-2019, 07:48 PM   #120
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In, gl!
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Old 01-19-2019, 06:14 PM   #121
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Can you share your new HUD ?
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:15 PM   #122
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What is happening to your game ? your long term cev is 39 at 100s

People are better now i assume but u worked hard as well.

What do u think is happening ?
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:53 PM   #123
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What is happening to your game ? your long term cev is 39 at 100s

People are better now i assume but u worked hard as well.

What do u think is happening ?
Too many regs, not enough fish for everyone.
How can you possibly win money, If on 11 tables only 2 fishes and 20 regs.
The game is very bad and I see no reason why it can get better.
Maybe spins 100$ are dead, as was the case with zoom500.
Of course there will be guys who have a good results, but out of 10 only one will be GodMode, but 9 will losing.

Yeah, i tried to study hard, bought skier5db, bought InstaGTO (at this moment favorite software for study), discussing about strategy with topregs 500s.
But it is all not helps me. I'm only average regular.

I think it's time to start planning to leave the spin and go, unfortunately this is a game without a future, too high rake and no rakeback.
And the game is too easy to solve and full of rogues in it.
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Old 01-20-2019, 02:20 PM   #124
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Too many regs, not enough fish for everyone.
How can you possibly win money, If on 11 tables only 2 fishes and 20 regs.
The game is very bad and I see no reason why it can get better.
Maybe spins 100$ are dead, as was the case with zoom500.
Of course there will be guys who have a good results, but out of 10 only one will be GodMode, but 9 will losing.

Yeah, i tried to study hard, bought skier5db, bought InstaGTO (at this moment favorite software for study), discussing about strategy with topregs 500s.
But it is all not helps me. I'm only average regular.

I think it's time to start planning to leave the spin and go, unfortunately this is a game without a future, too high rake and no rakeback.
And the game is too easy to solve and full of rogues in it.

Well if you consider yourself an average regular then 10-tabling wihtout decent HUD and exploits will not work, what a surprise. You seem to have great work ethic but it make me ****ing frustrated to see how wrong you are going about things. Show yourself that u can get 45 cev+ playing 2 tables with max focus and then get back to that sicko multitabling grind.

And how the **** do you manage to implement new strategies while playing 10-tables? If you can do that you must be the best player in the world. It takes a lot of effort and work to implement new strategies in practise just playing 2 tables. Not questioning your ability but we are all human (most) and for most of us that is not the optimal way of doing it. Not trying to be a dick. Just had to say this. To me you look like a smart and nice dude banging your head against the wall not willing to change. But who am i to speak? I'm No One, said Arya and disappeard back to the shadows .
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:07 PM   #125
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You sound defeated and in a bad place poker mentality wise.

I will say that Calmarsen does bring up some good points.

And historically, mass multi tablers rarely achieved a very high winrate, but they could sometimes make up for it by having a small profit on each table and the huge volume added up to great profits. However, the very thin line between small profit and unprofitable, and the how easily a bit of negative variance can put you into the red, it's so difficult to tell if you're on the right side of things.

You may just need to cut down a few tables, or study in a few specific areas, or some other seemingly minor change, to get into a pretty profitable outlook again.
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