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11-29-2019 , 08:50 PM
meh

to be honest I'm pretty confused about my results.
yeap, I have +12k month 2 months ago, but next 2 month running slightly -EV.
And what I would like to say is that now I feel at the peak of form.
I really invested a lot of time in studying GTO and get questionable results.
And I would not say that the level of players has changed or not enough fishies.
Intuitively I feel that something is not right.

If look at how people play at 100s, then it’s not even close to someone working hard on GTO.
A lot of common mistakes, missing advanced concepts.
I would name only 1-2 players who really playing like a GTOish guy, but no more.

I don’t know whether it is necessary to further study in this direction.
What can I expect, solid +1 chipev/hand vs regs, but what about fishies?
Someone told me, that vs fish we have at least 2.5 chips/hand.
Strong guys have 2.75-3.
Seems I need to think about this moment more.
Because with GTOish lines I feel like I'm with tied hands and failing a lot of easy spots.

I no longer see what I can improve in my GTO model.
I think the best thing is that I can only maintain a whole understanding.
So next 2-7 days gonna hustle at 30s and test some guns against weak players.
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11-29-2019 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
yup, fast check by min no of hands.
also have alias of all 100s regs, so I can check more precise winrate.
What min number you filtered? I struggle badly versus some regs who are hard to play when mtabling 7+ like onlyEssence, fontainerot or durrrr, Qiwo also improved a lot +1 seems sick to me, with such number and your cpg you might be struggling big time versus fish.

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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
Last 2 months running 30 chipev
prolly it is because bad pick of grind hours.
or maybe I'm still too bad.
How many tabs you play @ 100s? Decent hours come really randomly these days, without selection and 6+ tabs it can get really rough.
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11-29-2019 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyPL1
What min number you filtered? I struggle badly versus some regs who are hard to play when mtabling 7+ like onlyEssence, fontainerot or durrrr, Qiwo also improved a lot +1 seems sick to me, with such number and your cpg you might be struggling big time versus fish.


How many tabs you play @ 100s? Decent hours come really randomly these days, without selection and 6+ tabs it can get really rough.
At least 150 hands, but If some fishies in list I increase this number until there remain mostly regs and maybe 1 fish.

100s playing 10 tables, sometimes 11-12.
Depending how much fishies, there is big difference if you play vsRegs or vsFish.
Fishies mostly playing 1-2 tables and click buttons fast.
Regs clicking buttons slow, sometimes too slow.
And with a lot of regs I increase to 12, with fishies blast reduce to 10.
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11-29-2019 , 09:11 PM
That`s funny as it`s opposite with me, I cut tabs when there are more regs Pity that players pool is so small and we play each other a lot as we could probably help each other

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Intuitively I feel that something is not right.
Probably all is good with your results/game. In my opinion playing 10-12 tabs is just really hard these days (I was playing similar amount when making SNE), doubt you are playing optimal amount in terms of hourly with this shitty rb we get. GL anyway.
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11-30-2019 , 02:52 AM
@freeqone
have you checked your cev vs fish hu?
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11-30-2019 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MaTitheone
@freeqone
have you checked your cev vs fish hu?
yeap, but it is hard to work with these numbers.

if vsRegs is everything clear, at least +0.01 is ok, your are good vs regs.
so vsFish is more hard to analyze, I have nothing to compare my results.
I mean if I would have some good 100s+ regs with whom I can discuss it or take his database with good chev to compare.
But good players are mostly very private and worry about their knowledge, but I understand them.

So all I can probably do is compare time period and check winrates.
Like 2 month with high delay vs fish vs 2 month with low delay vs fish.
And etc, testing everything.
Pity that life is too short, I need more time to rise.
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11-30-2019 , 09:11 AM
About delay I can tell you without waiting Low is better.
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11-30-2019 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyPL1
About delay I can tell you without waiting Low is better.
))))))))))))))

not sure
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11-30-2019 , 09:18 PM
Big part of the EV from turn delays are in river barells from my experience. Having high turn delay with low follow up or mediocre sizings will rarely work good. When i played 25s on winamax i tried 70+% delay and managed to make 1.6BB ev per action overall. Made 48cev in my HU SB, only redline. Many strats can work good vs fish, exploit turn delays is one of them imo.

HU SB


GL with fish study!
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12-01-2019 , 10:37 PM
So who are the best 100s regs in your opinion?
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12-02-2019 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JsutAGuy
So who are the best 100s regs in your opinion?
Well.

Recently, I came to the conclusion that my ideas and beliefs are wrong.
I always tried to be better than other regulars and partly achieved this.
But every day I understand that I chose the wrong battlefield.
In fact, I do not get anything from the fact that I can beat the regulars or confidently say that I play better.
And this understanding is perhaps the key to my further way.

In reality, the best is the one who earns more.
And this field is a battle against fish.
I would name regulars who play perfect or those who play horribly.
But that means absolutely nothing.

Regular opinion about another regular has absolutely no value.
The decisive moment is just what result you have at the tables.
I always thought why I was somehow managed in the range of 32-38 chipEV, when others easily help 42-55 chipEV (100s).
And most likely because I developed my game against regs, while others developed the game against fish.

So, even if I will make my personal a top-list of 100s regs,
This will provoke a situation where I may not include the regular in the list, which has 45 chipEV at a long distance.
Even if he plays poorly against regulars, so what?
He still earns and probably earns more than those who play well against regulars.
The same thing with those who are strong in regwars.
Guys like me who sleeping with solvers, but don't know why results so sucks.

So for now, my opinion is that all ratings and ratings of the skill level are complete sh7t.
In this game, success is defined a little differently.
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12-02-2019 , 01:28 PM
Btw, probably I will try 5-6 tables tiled with HUD/Notes/Split styles GTO/Exploit
instead of 10-12 tabling stacked of full GTO.
Since my winrate completely died, I need to change something.
Lets try december to quality play.

And during testing some exploits at 30s, I won x200.
Seems this is a SIGN.
This is the first x200 for this year, It's a shame that not on 100s :<

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12-02-2019 , 02:35 PM
OMG FREEQ IS CHANGING HIS WAYS

if you can exploit recs good, you are gonna be top reg

Maybe after a while you could try 10+ tables tiled also. I think having them tiled is kinda important and many guys still play 8+ tables tiled.
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12-03-2019 , 04:04 AM
I think this will be a gamechanger for you! Finally you admit to yourself, that maybe your way is not the best. And now you have different mindset and huge theoretical knowledge, which will also help you in vs fish game. Hope you will become top top reg.

But you should be patient because usually when there is a big change in strategy the winrate drops. Because it's easy to overapply what you are learning.
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12-03-2019 , 04:37 PM
With your work ethic and passion and talents, the sky is really the limit. I really like your post and the responses by Xptboy and iAudrius. I hope it all works out for you.
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12-03-2019 , 07:07 PM
Good answer.

I wish you good luck in achieving your goals.
My approach to the game is different than yours for sure. Had amazing success with it at 60s and managed to get through the worst stretch since I played spins at 100s and still survived, so I guess it's something, hopefully the results will end up converging closer to the ones I had at 60s.

Maybe we'll end up doing some work together some day, we'll see where life leads us. Hopefully to $1k one day.
Till then I guess see ya at 100s
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12-04-2019 , 07:32 AM
RIP Spins, it was nice knowing you
new limits and raise in rake, kappa
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12-04-2019 , 10:06 AM
wow they deleted 15$s and changed time levels...any thoughts on this?
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12-04-2019 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
In this game, success is defined a little differently.
defined as luck?
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12-04-2019 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by env0y85
wow they deleted 15$s and changed time levels...any thoughts on this?
its just a money grab
40-50% (depending on stakes) of games are shorter now, while under 1% last longer. Its a nice touch that you have more room to play on bigger multis, but this plus 5%->6% on 60s->50s change, is overall effective rake increase lowering edges and increasing pokestars bottom line
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12-04-2019 , 11:19 AM
well, Spins is are officially dead.

x2 is major part of game.
And decreasing blinds level from 3 min to 2 min is a fatality.
Average is 20 hands per spin.
We have at least 33% drop.
So we play 14 hands instead 20.
Average chipev, for 30s example, 2.25 chipev/hand
And guy who have 45 chipev in x2 now play it 14*2.25 = 31.5
Is not not even close to breakeven.
Huge -EV game.

GG WP.

Gonna look some rakeback offers by old affilate contacts.
I think this is a final point in my spins career.
See you in next disciplines!
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12-04-2019 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
x2 is major part of game.



the probabilties for 25$ and 50$ spins are
3x = 474,012 in 1,000,000
2x = 434,882 in 1,000,000



isnt 3x is major part of the game now? ( it used to be 70% at 2x)

Last edited by env0y85; 12-04-2019 at 12:50 PM.
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12-04-2019 , 12:51 PM
But now you have higher ev on x10+ and better chances to win it because 4min+ blinds.

Maybe it is the same as always without pool because you can bink more multis.

Thoughts?
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12-05-2019 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by youngdaggerdick
But now you have higher ev on x10+ and better chances to win it because 4min+ blinds.

Maybe it is the same as always without pool because you can bink more multis.

Thoughts?
-33% CEV (roughly) in 42% of games cant be compensated with + 25-33% CEV in <1% of games.

on a money note I am not sure 100%.
Big multis just get more and more important so swings will be even harder for sure, thats what I know for sure
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12-05-2019 , 06:36 AM
It's not even close to 33% less hands though, is it? I mean flash spin last like 11ish hands with 1min/levels and shallower starting stack, so 2m level probably last 16-18 hands or smth with 25bb starting when it's 20hands/spin now, so not that big of a hit. Still sucks obv, but it's not getting unbeatable, maybe -0.5% roi at most.
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